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Bin Laden may not have invaded two countries but his organization has attacked an untold number of countries. His actions led directly to the invasion of Afghanistan, and indirectly to the invasion of Iraq. He is also one of the main reason the US is carrying out attacks inside Pakistan. He has also either stated or implied that all Jews and Christians must convert or die....that pretty much makes him worse that Bush in my book...
[1 point]3 years ago by jondoughReplyEdited 3 years ago by jondough
No the actions of Bin Laden did not lead to the invasion of Iraq. Bush himself has stated Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11! Bin Laden even offered to help Saudi Arabia during the First Gulf war (and he was upset that the King accepted the help from the U.S. and thereby allowing infidel forces into the holy land.)
There are many reasons to dislike Bush, but in my view Bin Laden is the worse of the two. But if we look at the number of deaths caused by them, Bush would be the worst.
I said Bin Ladens' actions indirectly led to the invasion of Iraq. Because of the terror attacks Bush was allowed to attack Afghanistan. In part because of how easy that invasion went and in part because of public confusion over 9/11 Bush was allowed to mobilize against Iraq. I personally don't believe he could have gotten public support for the invasion of Iraq had we not been attacked by Bin Laden numerous times including 9/11 and had the Afghanistan invasion not taken place.
[1 point]3 years ago by jondoughReplyEdited 3 years ago by jondough
I will give you that Bush made some mistakes, but Im not so sure about lies. Bush had a lot of military and civilian intelligence that he took as fact that turned out to be dead wrong. That in itself doesn't make him a liar. Guilty of poor judgment Im sure.
Nope, have look for plamegate, or downing street memo's. To me it is clear Bush (and Blair) lied about the reasons. However I am not trying to convince you that Bush was evil, I am trying to convince you why people believe Bush to be evil.
I understand what your saying...Im not trying to bash you for bashing Bush...we all know he deserves some of what hes getting. I don't meant to be taking up for him either and maybe in this instance I'm ill informed (wouldn't be the first time) but you mentioned the Plamegate incident. Just to satisfy my ignorance what did bush lie about there??
This week, my personal pick is Donal Rumsfeld. Next week, it might be Paul Wolfowitz.
Bin Laden is a terrorist, and completely unadmirable. He acts from a deep but misguided conviction that the West is evil.
Cheney and Bush are willing to enrich themselves at the expense of ordinary Americans, and to spend those lives in the quest fro ever greater riches. They act out of greed.
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You know they are not going to do that. Their worldview precludes them from considering the blasphemy of conservative thought. For them, it is a matter of faith.
I can just see Dauguy and Sheep now. "EEEEEEK. It's a Conservative. How are we ever going to convert him before he contaminates our favorite site?" asks Sheep. "I know," says Dauguy breathlessly. "Let's chant!" "OK. OooooooBaaaaMaaaa Change Ussss. Change Ussss OooooooBaaaaMaaaa."
"I feel much better," smiles Sheep. "So do I." says Dauguy. And they lived liberally ever after.
Saudi Arabia
Don't hate (nor like) any of them, but I dislike bin Laden the most of all.
I have to feel like the people that voted Bush over Bin Laden are somewhat misguided.
Well Bush did invade two countries, Bin laden didn't, but only because he lacks the resources.
Bin Laden may not have invaded two countries but his organization has attacked an untold number of countries. His actions led directly to the invasion of Afghanistan, and indirectly to the invasion of Iraq. He is also one of the main reason the US is carrying out attacks inside Pakistan. He has also either stated or implied that all Jews and Christians must convert or die....that pretty much makes him worse that Bush in my book...
No the actions of Bin Laden did not lead to the invasion of Iraq. Bush himself has stated Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11! Bin Laden even offered to help Saudi Arabia during the First Gulf war (and he was upset that the King accepted the help from the U.S. and thereby allowing infidel forces into the holy land.)
There are many reasons to dislike Bush, but in my view Bin Laden is the worse of the two. But if we look at the number of deaths caused by them, Bush would be the worst.
I said Bin Ladens' actions indirectly led to the invasion of Iraq. Because of the terror attacks Bush was allowed to attack Afghanistan. In part because of how easy that invasion went and in part because of public confusion over 9/11 Bush was allowed to mobilize against Iraq. I personally don't believe he could have gotten public support for the invasion of Iraq had we not been attacked by Bin Laden numerous times including 9/11 and had the Afghanistan invasion not taken place.
Sure, but we can not hold Bin Laden responsible for the lies of Bush...
I will give you that Bush made some mistakes, but Im not so sure about lies. Bush had a lot of military and civilian intelligence that he took as fact that turned out to be dead wrong. That in itself doesn't make him a liar. Guilty of poor judgment Im sure.
Nope, have look for plamegate, or downing street memo's. To me it is clear Bush (and Blair) lied about the reasons. However I am not trying to convince you that Bush was evil, I am trying to convince you why people believe Bush to be evil.
I understand what your saying...Im not trying to bash you for bashing Bush...we all know he deserves some of what hes getting. I don't meant to be taking up for him either and maybe in this instance I'm ill informed (wouldn't be the first time) but you mentioned the Plamegate incident. Just to satisfy my ignorance what did bush lie about there??
look it up in google, it is yet another nasty episode....
I did...I don't see anywhere where it says that Bush was directly involved....
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[0 points] 3 years ago by deleted user ReplyCool attack the person, not the argument how typical of you.
This week, my personal pick is Donal Rumsfeld. Next week, it might be Paul Wolfowitz.
Bin Laden is a terrorist, and completely unadmirable. He acts from a deep but misguided conviction that the West is evil.
Cheney and Bush are willing to enrich themselves at the expense of ordinary Americans, and to spend those lives in the quest fro ever greater riches. They act out of greed.
All three are certainly evil.
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You know they are not going to do that. Their worldview precludes them from considering the blasphemy of conservative thought. For them, it is a matter of faith.
I can just see Dauguy and Sheep now. "EEEEEEK. It's a Conservative. How are we ever going to convert him before he contaminates our favorite site?" asks Sheep. "I know," says Dauguy breathlessly. "Let's chant!" "OK. OooooooBaaaaMaaaa Change Ussss. Change Ussss OooooooBaaaaMaaaa."
"I feel much better," smiles Sheep. "So do I." says Dauguy. And they lived liberally ever after.