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Which is better: Pass Obama's planned changes to the health care system or not pass them and keep the current system?
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Its better not to pass a plan that most Americans either do not understand or do not agree with.
Whats the hurry anyway. Why not take the time to get it right, show and tell the people whats in the bill, tweak and adjust it until its as perfect as it can possibly be and THEN pass it.
Another thought...why do you need one single fix all bill anyway. Why not pass a bunch of smaller easier to understand bills that will fix problems one at a time instead of one big wholesale change? You want insurance across state lines...draw up a bill that deals with that and pass it. You want insurance companies to be forced to accept pre-existing conditions...draw up a bill and pass it. Fix the problems one at a time....
Because the REpugs wouldn't allow that. Duh. They have already said that, despite the overwhelming support for health care reform in this country, that they won't do it.
The Republicans do not have the ability to stop it. Democrats hold a majority of the votes and they wont vote for their own bill because they know the voters don't want it!
Precisely, people no not want reform in this manner. It didn't work with the New Deal and this will not work either, remember,this is about the will of the people NOT the will of a 535 person legislature.
"Whats the hurry anyway. Why not take the time to get it right,"
How much time? years? decades. Well they have been trying to reform it for the past I ....... Any you know very well it is not the time. It is politics, the lobbies, the interests, the ...time isthe least of the factors.
Most of the reforms in the current bill do not start until 2014. The new taxes however start immediately.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyHum, no new taxes, I can't honestly believe that they are not coming in some form or other down the pike. I don't believe the sky will open open and provide funds for this massive bill, we will have to pay for it in some way, just the way it is going to be. I KNOW you are more aware than that.
They know if they pass this massive entitlement program people will get addicted to it and make it impossible to get rid of. This is just the first step for the government to take over the system.
Maybe YOU will read this...
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Lecture/The-Top-Ten-Things-People-Believe-About-Canadian-Health-Care-But-Shouldnt
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[3 points] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyWhat's the hurry? There is no hurry, no hurry at all. Bill Clinton tried to do the same thing in the 1990's. Now more than a decade has passed and a new healthcare plan has not yet been approved; however, since the idea has been in the works this long isn't it time they sh*t or get off the pot?
If the aim is affordable health care for all then it will make things a little better for most people. But it does not fix the problem, Americans on average will still pay way more then other nations for inferior health care.
Since Obama is no longer pushing for a single payer option, politically he can't afford to veto anything that does not meet that goal. So it looks like the system will be tweaked a little with legislation that the insurance companies will find ways to get around...
I voted to pass the bill, just because it will save a few lives.
I just don't see it, this will not save lives; but just me more government bureaucracy and more government agencies to contend with. This is NOT about saving lives, it is about Progressive agendas, just as you might suggest the Patriot Act was about Conservative War-Mongering and Big Oil.
I disagree with the first part, it will save lives, 30 million more people will be able to get health care. If that does not save lives, why would people bother with health insurance to begin with....
I do agree that it will create even more bureaucracy and I will repeat that the insurance companies will find ways to get around it. Let me add that if a similar bill was on the table here in Canada I would oppose it.
I will ignore the (dumb) Patriot act and the (illegal) invasion of Iraq as they are separate issues.
I suppose we shall see now how this plays out, I certainly hope to be wrong and this doesn't do more damage to this country. I honestly don't like seeing the country so contentious about an issue. I think many agree reform is needed, just can't quite agree on the how.
You guys need to have an honest debate about all facets of health-care, the current political and media climate does not allow that. But the first question every person needs to answer is if you want all people to have access to health care or not. The current bunch in power have decided that they want every one to have access. But you guys have created a monster and even though this bill will improve things a little, it will never give value for money. (greed will see to that) True reform will save money, but will hit the current system hard and many people would loose their job. And I think Obama's solution of having a government owned and run health insurance scheme would have allowed a gradual transition to single payer health care. That is of course assuming it was set up efficiently to begin with and I sometimes wonder how you guys are able to tie your own shoelaces.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyDo you understand it--what are your objections??
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[2 points] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyHum, no, what I have seen in the last year is language that "this will get done anyway it has to" "they will parachute in, pol-volt in" I doubt Obama, Reid, Pelolsi & company care any more for the people or their will than any Repub you would choose to name.
PS And all I have heard is how Obama, Reid, and Peolsi know what is better for the country better than me and other Americans who don't support this legislation do, really, so they have to find contrived ways to pass this, and you know it isn't Repubs standing in the way, they don't have the numbers to stop this so Obama and Company fear for it not being passed should be directed among their own rank and file, but no Repubs will make a glorious scapegoat.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyThe self-executing rule was a contrived way to handle this. On something "as important as Medicare in the 1960s" why do they have to do that route? That seems quite like the "politics as usual" Obama also campaigned against, doesn't it? I am not debating the validity of the election or mandates or any such thing, but Obama continually has stated, and let me be clear, that he needs to explain this to the public that just isn't getting it? Right, because we are idiots and haven't had it explained and explained over the last year to us. That to me is "he knows best." When a large percentage of people want the bill as is scrapped that says something. Not that people don't want change or improvements, because I agree we do need something, but not the way this has been handled.
PS "I've said it before. Elections have consequences. This is one of them." So you look at wanting proper reform and not feeling I am getting it as a consequence I and other people must just "live with." Where is the social justice of fairness in that?
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyI am well aware “my guy” lost, thank you for the newsflash. And newsflash for you, 47% of people didn’t vote for Obama, so that is NOT a small minority if you ask me. That works out to what for every 3 votes for Obama there were 2 for McCain, my my how interesting for a mandate. So yeah, screw the minority.
73% wanted this bill scrapped, 54% don’t want this bill at all, so yeah, I am not thinking this is the greatest bill since sliced bread my dear.
I don’t have to provide examples of what Obama said, please look them up yourself. He had several news/tv speicals and was out there campaigning for this, so you can do your own recon.
“Republicans are looking for anything they can to stir up shit and this is just another example.” Really, really, yeah, see how the scapegoat appears, nice.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyWTF, "SLAUGHER SOLUTION? OH NOES!" "DEMON PASS", Have you lost it completely in the time I have been away from here? Good grief, so the polls are only manipulated by conservatives, anti-healthcare nuts? Oh sure, yeah, whatever you want to believe, lay off the kool-aid.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyWTF, here responding to what you said, yeah, polls can be made to say what people want them to say, all in how the question is asked, that happens. I point out Conservatives are NOT the only ones guilty of that, we can agree there. And, I can say Conservatives can manipulate polls, there. However, just to be clear, since that is the case, it is just as likely as not people didn't support the bill as people did, since both results can be taken with grains of salt and used by both sides to support what they say. However, elections results are different, and I don't see 47% as a small minority.
BTW you have again not answered some points I made. Earlier above I question how do we pay for this bill, you have no answer? What is you answer to that? How do we pay for this if not by raising taxes on EVERYONE.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyDid I ever say you said that, good grief man, can I not say something without it coming back to what you said or how you meant it? Can I not just make a point?
Oh, get over that "religious people are the the only ones who are hypocrites" thing and as I recall I was not the only one carrying on, takes two to tango, seems we both don't like to let things go and don't like to be wrong. You are just as guilty of that as me.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyI SAID you were guilty of not letting things go, as you clearly are by rehashing an old very old argument, I didn't bring that up first, you did.
Oh, and yes, you do take a debated statement and expand it, don't deny that. When do you stay on topic???? You didn't here did you? We were discussing the healthcare bill and somehow it degenerates into this because you don't like what I say.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyAm I for real? Really? Um, I really could ask that of you because you are flipping out for no reason. You are way, way, too defensive. Yeah, I can be to, but man, you put me to shame.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyTrolling? Dishonest? What? Seems we really have a failure to communicate and you take it always as some personal attack, because trust me it isn't.
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[1 point] 2 years ago byYour link didn't go to any info about self-executing rule. Oh, and that's right, it is only bad if Republicans use the self-executing rule, I see, thank you for the clarification.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyYeah, found it after some digging.
And it says
"While the constitutionality of enacting a law that has not actually been voted on by both chambers of Congress may be questionable, the House's self-executing rule does allow for it and has been used many times by both parties, just never to pass a bill impacting health care for millions of Americans and chewing up one-fifth of the U.S. economy."
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyNope, sure isn't. We will just have to see if that is good or bad won't we????
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/02/explainer.html
Right there, the State of the Union Address. He says, "I take my share of the blame for not explaining it more clearly to the American people," remember that? Yeah, so he felt it his explanations weren't clear to us, seems to me that is the inference one can make from it, that we just weren't understanding the words that were coming out of his mouth. And let me ask this, if the plan was so great, why did they have to remove the public option? Really, if people wanted this promised reform why remove that???? Oh, wait, I know, the Repubs, right, my bad. If SOOO many people wanted this promised reform, should have been no problem, should have passed this early last year, really, my goodness.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyOf course that is not the only way the quote can be taken, but, I have my interpretation you have yours. I find him to be arrogant, much like Bush was, in a different way of course. Let me ask this, do you think you see nothing wrong with him because you like him and your judgment is just as clouded, on the opposite spectrum of course?
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyHum, well, you argue with me every point about him and my feelings about the administration, so yeah, it is a fair question isn't it? You see my saying something against his policy as clearly me not liking him, and so I ask how do you feel? Is there anything wrong with how he handles the job?
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyAnd before casting stones at Republicans, look who Democrats have going for them. A Chicago Thug who can't speak without a teleprompter in Obama; Biden and Reid who are dithering older men who put foot to mouth over and over; and Peloisi the Botox Queen who has had so much done it has seaped into her brain. So before you talk about Frat Boy Bush, or Old Man Chaney who shot a friend, see your people in their glory as well.
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[2 points] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyWhat in the world are you ranting about now, my "true motivation." Have I ever lied and said I liked them? NO. So yeah, just making a point about how I CAN speak about them but typically DON'T. I didn't know I COULDN'T disagree with the powers that be in Washington. But LET ME BE CLEAR - I DON'T agree with their healthare plan and DON'T think they are good for this country, have I EVER made that a secret. And it is SAD that you can't see the "sins" of your party, I have seen the sins of mine, why don't you join me in the real world and get your head out of the kool-aid.
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyLet them put forward a good policy and I will be all for it. Let me ask you this, Bush/Chaney, did you just dislike their policies or did you dislike the men? Was it purely ideological for you, were you above reproach in your dislike for them? Newt Gingrich and Contract with America, did you agree with any of that? Did you like anything they did? Please, tell me one conservative idea or leader you have agreed with, even on policy they have made if you are so high minded and don't pigeon hold yourself to a way of thinking. Please, do tell?
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[1 point] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyAs for personal attacks, I remember a multitude of attacks made on Bush, Chaney, McCain, Palin, etc. Not really much new there when people don't like this politician or that, I am not the first or the last. And again, I use that to illustrate a point, and to vent a little anger about what has happened, have to let it out someway.