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Domestic terrorists is what they are. That's the accurate term.
You can only be on TV calling somebody a baby killer so often before some right wing whackjob exercises his second amendment and takes out the baby killer.
I think it's the twitter feeds I saw that bothered me the most. There are Americans celebrating this guy's death, literally celebrating it. I can't fucking believe this country sometimes.
[2 points]173 days ago by translateReplyEdited 173 days ago by translate
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lol - voted you back up from 0. I see Joyce came through. You've managed to make the "automatically user click down" list that I've been on for the last couple of weeks. (rofl)
I like jihadi. It carries the mentality. But instead of abortion jihadi - how about "pro-life jihadi." It ties the hypocrisy they are incapable of seeing into the name.
Yes because clearly all pro-lifers are like those very few who celebrate death, most of us, even though we believe that man was very sadly mistaken as to what he was doing, we think that he definitely shouldn't have been killed, primarily because he was a human person, but also because of reactions of people like you, who assume that most pro-life people are exactly like his murderer, which is plain not true.
No, you're right, most "pro-life" folk don't OPENLY condone such actions.
What they do is openly sing the praises of people like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, etc. who keep these people whipped up into a frenzy. And then, when one of your lunatic fringe pop and do something crazy - you listen to the pro-life jump to his defense by saying "what did you expect?"
There's a lot of mid-line appearing Muslims who listen to Osama Bin Laden. They agree with everything he says - they don't strap a bomb to themselves. Does that make them less guilty? I think it makes them MORE guilty for not speaking out against those who promote radicalism while claiming to be "peaceful." They're not peaceful - they just want others to do their dirty work. Kinda like the pro-life crowd.
How do you know that pro-life people are silently condoning this? They aren't!
And yes, many pro-lifers do support O'Reilly and Limbaugh, just as you support Obama and other people who express the same views as you, at least on the important issues. And no, I have not heard that ever, we are saying what he did was wrong to the extreme, but he should not have died, espically through murder, which is exactly against what we are for.
See the key phrase there was "they agree with EVERYTHING he says", we disagree with this person because his way to save lives was wrong. And what am I doing right now, what are other pro-lifers doing now, we are saying he was wrong! We are speaking out against him.
Why are you bothering me with your moralistic posturing? Why don't you go apologize to the Widow Tiller and her children?
And I don't think I've ever heard Obama say anything about pro-life people except to tell the pro-choice people to try to find common ground. And then we see a "pro-life" man in action.
I've never heard of an Israeli or an American walking into a mosque and blowing themselves up. I've never heard of a pregnant woman opening fire on a group of "pro-life" folk trying to physically block her way into an abortion clinic. Hey - it's your side that's doing it. So get your side under control before you preach to me that I'M the one who's wrong. I'm for letting people make their own choices. You're for making everyone do it YOUR way.
Because I'm not the only who killed that man, once again you are generalizing the entire pro-life community into the one person who shot him, even though almost all of us think he was wrong to have shot the man.
Yeah, he said common ground, but on the recent legislative, not a single person who identified themselves as pro-life voted for it, but it still passed, that sounds like common ground to me. Actions speak louder than words.
But there will never be a side with everyone on it perfect, and you can't pretend there ever will be, there are way to many people, and anyway even if there was only one, no one is perfect. Anyway, you are wrong, dramatically wrong, the child is a person, and it is my responsibility to convince you to change. And yes, I am. I'm also for murder should be illegal, it shouldn't be the murderer's choice to decide to shoot someone. I'm against slavery, it shouldn't be the slave owners choice to own slaves. Some choices aren't and shouldn't be allowed.
It's not a baby. It's a united sperm and egg. It splits, splits again and the cells continue to divide and multiply. If left alone for long enough - it will eventually become a human being. But before that - it's a clump of cells.
In the mean time - you're lost. And I just saw your comment where you're pro-death penalty. I see you also claim to be a Christian. What a surprise. Yet another hypocrite.
And, btw Joyce - I can hear your voice. So eat shit and die.
So at what moment in time does the division stop from being a 'clump of cells' to a person?
In the mean time, we cannot conduct an actual debate if one person just refuses to listen to what another person says, like what you are doing now.
Also, if you had asked me, instead of reading my profile or comment or whatever, you would realize that I'm pro death penalty only when the person is a risk to society or the guards etc. So, being for a guilty person who is a risk to others to die is not at all the same to not being for an innocent child dying, so do not pretend it is. And I am Christian, and Christians are all about life, which is why I'm pro-life!
And wow, way to respect Joyce, again an example of not being a rational debater.
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Okay - I'm thinking "Christian Death Squads." They support the death penalty, they support and advocate the killing of those who don't share their religious views (some by outright calling for death for the non-believers ala Khomeini, some with the smug saying 'you shouldn't be surprised ... ') AND they all say they're Christian.
[-1 points]173 days ago by sillynillyReplyEdited 173 days ago by sillynilly
Pro-life does advocate all life issues. It is just that 4,000 babies are aborted every day and not that many are put to death with the death penalty. There are groups that do hold vigils for those that are executed.
I've seen them. They're quite tiny and peaceful. Ever been to an abortion clinic? I have.
The protesters stand in front of the clinic waiting to see people park. If two women get out of a car (the clinic makes the lady getting the abortion bring a friend to drive her home after the surgery) - you're charged. These sweet, kind Christians trying to get you to "feel the love of Jesus Christ" (a quote) while blocking your path to the clinic.
I had one actually hold a large photo of a painting of Jesus in my face while watching my feet and stepping into my path and blocking me for the (approx.) fifty yards I had to walk into the clinic - saying horrible things the entire distance. The object of the game is to get you to physically touch them as you try to get to the clinic. If you do - they call the police and report an assault and the police go into the clinic and arrest you. They congratulate themselves on "preventing an abortion." These types of activities have been ruled legal in this country.
Odd bit of trivia - they'll pull this on two women, but they will NOT do it if there's a woman and a man. If they do it to the woman and MAN - likely they'll be assaulted by the man who is obviously not the pregnant one. If they do it to two women - then they have a 50/50 chance of getting touched or pushed by the pregnant one. The "assault" from the man is also more likely to hurt more than the assault from the woman.
These people are not Christians. They are people who simply want to control others.
[0 points]172 days ago by sillynillyReplyEdited 172 days ago by sillynilly
Incidentally, the pro-life movement are the reason there a special clinics strictly to perform abortions.
If any and every OB-GYN were allowed to perform abortions (it's a relatively simply procedure) they wouldn't be able to pull off these types of "protests."
They threaten OB-GYNs constantly - go as far as to send pregnant women to them for initial consultations. The "pro-life" woman will ask about obtaining an abortion. If the doctor indicates he is willing to perform it - then he/she becomes a target of those sweet, kind, gentle souls who love babies. Fear of that kind of interference in their practice keeps the doctors from ever performing one.
You can't even find an OB-GYN who will discuss these types of practices with lawmakers. They're that afraid of what these people can and will do. It's the jihadist mentality they fear. Ever wonder how the Taliban gained control in the middle east? Same way. Intimidation. It's alive and well here in the USA.
According to the law - it's not "violence" - it's "protesting."
There was a security guard who was not allowed to leave the front step of the clinic. He was calling to us "Don't touch them! Don't touch them! Just keep walking!" as we approached. I came back outside to talk to him an hour or so later (we both smoked) (lol) and told him exactly what I thought of what had gone on. He just shook his head (lol) I could tell he'd heard it from EVERYONE who came in that clinic. (lol) He just said "There's nothing that can be done about it. Just ignore it." And he wasn't allowed to leave the clinic steps because his first responsibility was to keep them out of the clinic. He was the one who explained to me about the assaults and arrests - that's why he was yelling at us not to touch them. All he could do was act as a witness as to whether or not an assault had taken place.
[0 points]172 days ago by sillynillyReplyEdited 172 days ago by sillynilly
That would be easier to believe if Tiller hadn't been shot twice before, and other abortion doctors hadn't been killed or had their clinics bombed. Surely you can see that SOMEONE proclaiming themselves to be pro-life is doing this. Unless you want to be like the apologist pastor who said, "At this point, we do not know the motives of this act, or who is behind it, whether an angry post-abortive man or woman, or a misguided activist, or an enemy within the abortion industry, or a political enemy frustrated with the way Tiller has escaped prosecution. We should not jump to conclusions or rush to judgment."
This is a silly question. It is like right after 9/11 asking, "We should stop calling Islam "religion of peace"", or "We should stop calling Saudi's rational people". Give me a break kid.
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Yep. Let's think up a new name for them.
Abortion jihadi.
Domestic terrorists is what they are. That's the accurate term.
You can only be on TV calling somebody a baby killer so often before some right wing whackjob exercises his second amendment and takes out the baby killer.
I think it's the twitter feeds I saw that bothered me the most. There are Americans celebrating this guy's death, literally celebrating it. I can't fucking believe this country sometimes.
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lol - voted you back up from 0. I see Joyce came through. You've managed to make the "automatically user click down" list that I've been on for the last couple of weeks. (rofl)
I like jihadi. It carries the mentality. But instead of abortion jihadi - how about "pro-life jihadi." It ties the hypocrisy they are incapable of seeing into the name.
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How about Christian jihad? Then it covers the barefoot and pregnant crew as well.
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[1 point] 173 days ago by deleted user ReplyThat would sum them up quite nicely.
Yes because clearly all pro-lifers are like those very few who celebrate death, most of us, even though we believe that man was very sadly mistaken as to what he was doing, we think that he definitely shouldn't have been killed, primarily because he was a human person, but also because of reactions of people like you, who assume that most pro-life people are exactly like his murderer, which is plain not true.
No, you're right, most "pro-life" folk don't OPENLY condone such actions.
What they do is openly sing the praises of people like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, etc. who keep these people whipped up into a frenzy. And then, when one of your lunatic fringe pop and do something crazy - you listen to the pro-life jump to his defense by saying "what did you expect?"
There's a lot of mid-line appearing Muslims who listen to Osama Bin Laden. They agree with everything he says - they don't strap a bomb to themselves. Does that make them less guilty? I think it makes them MORE guilty for not speaking out against those who promote radicalism while claiming to be "peaceful." They're not peaceful - they just want others to do their dirty work. Kinda like the pro-life crowd.
How do you know that pro-life people are silently condoning this? They aren't!
And yes, many pro-lifers do support O'Reilly and Limbaugh, just as you support Obama and other people who express the same views as you, at least on the important issues. And no, I have not heard that ever, we are saying what he did was wrong to the extreme, but he should not have died, espically through murder, which is exactly against what we are for.
See the key phrase there was "they agree with EVERYTHING he says", we disagree with this person because his way to save lives was wrong. And what am I doing right now, what are other pro-lifers doing now, we are saying he was wrong! We are speaking out against him.
Why are you bothering me with your moralistic posturing? Why don't you go apologize to the Widow Tiller and her children?
And I don't think I've ever heard Obama say anything about pro-life people except to tell the pro-choice people to try to find common ground. And then we see a "pro-life" man in action.
I've never heard of an Israeli or an American walking into a mosque and blowing themselves up. I've never heard of a pregnant woman opening fire on a group of "pro-life" folk trying to physically block her way into an abortion clinic. Hey - it's your side that's doing it. So get your side under control before you preach to me that I'M the one who's wrong. I'm for letting people make their own choices. You're for making everyone do it YOUR way.
Because I'm not the only who killed that man, once again you are generalizing the entire pro-life community into the one person who shot him, even though almost all of us think he was wrong to have shot the man.
Yeah, he said common ground, but on the recent legislative, not a single person who identified themselves as pro-life voted for it, but it still passed, that sounds like common ground to me. Actions speak louder than words.
But there will never be a side with everyone on it perfect, and you can't pretend there ever will be, there are way to many people, and anyway even if there was only one, no one is perfect. Anyway, you are wrong, dramatically wrong, the child is a person, and it is my responsibility to convince you to change. And yes, I am. I'm also for murder should be illegal, it shouldn't be the murderer's choice to decide to shoot someone. I'm against slavery, it shouldn't be the slave owners choice to own slaves. Some choices aren't and shouldn't be allowed.
It's not a baby. It's a united sperm and egg. It splits, splits again and the cells continue to divide and multiply. If left alone for long enough - it will eventually become a human being. But before that - it's a clump of cells.
In the mean time - you're lost. And I just saw your comment where you're pro-death penalty. I see you also claim to be a Christian. What a surprise. Yet another hypocrite.
And, btw Joyce - I can hear your voice. So eat shit and die.
So at what moment in time does the division stop from being a 'clump of cells' to a person?
In the mean time, we cannot conduct an actual debate if one person just refuses to listen to what another person says, like what you are doing now.
Also, if you had asked me, instead of reading my profile or comment or whatever, you would realize that I'm pro death penalty only when the person is a risk to society or the guards etc. So, being for a guilty person who is a risk to others to die is not at all the same to not being for an innocent child dying, so do not pretend it is. And I am Christian, and Christians are all about life, which is why I'm pro-life!
And wow, way to respect Joyce, again an example of not being a rational debater.
Who died? :O
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/kansas.doctor.killed.charges/index.html
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I'm going with the Jesus Jihad, as in:
-The Brotherhood of the Jesus Jihad
-The Jesus Jihad in America
-The Jesus Jihad Base
-Conservatives for a Jesus Jihad
-The Jesus Jihad in Texas
-The Jesus Jihad in Oklahoma City
-The Jesus Jihad to Kill All Non-Believers!
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Okay - I'm thinking "Christian Death Squads." They support the death penalty, they support and advocate the killing of those who don't share their religious views (some by outright calling for death for the non-believers ala Khomeini, some with the smug saying 'you shouldn't be surprised ... ') AND they all say they're Christian.
Why do you think they should be called otherwise?
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Because they kill people.
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Ok.
It is ignorant to use one person who makes a terrible choice the poster child for a movement. We all know what Pro-Life really means.
only one?
Like using Osama bin Laden the poser child for all Muslims?
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good one!!
The problem is they're not as encompassing as the name implies. If you're pro-LIFE, that SHOULD mean you're against the death penalty as well.
Pro-life does advocate all life issues. It is just that 4,000 babies are aborted every day and not that many are put to death with the death penalty. There are groups that do hold vigils for those that are executed.
I've seen them. They're quite tiny and peaceful. Ever been to an abortion clinic? I have.
The protesters stand in front of the clinic waiting to see people park. If two women get out of a car (the clinic makes the lady getting the abortion bring a friend to drive her home after the surgery) - you're charged. These sweet, kind Christians trying to get you to "feel the love of Jesus Christ" (a quote) while blocking your path to the clinic.
I had one actually hold a large photo of a painting of Jesus in my face while watching my feet and stepping into my path and blocking me for the (approx.) fifty yards I had to walk into the clinic - saying horrible things the entire distance. The object of the game is to get you to physically touch them as you try to get to the clinic. If you do - they call the police and report an assault and the police go into the clinic and arrest you. They congratulate themselves on "preventing an abortion." These types of activities have been ruled legal in this country.
Odd bit of trivia - they'll pull this on two women, but they will NOT do it if there's a woman and a man. If they do it to the woman and MAN - likely they'll be assaulted by the man who is obviously not the pregnant one. If they do it to two women - then they have a 50/50 chance of getting touched or pushed by the pregnant one. The "assault" from the man is also more likely to hurt more than the assault from the woman.
These people are not Christians. They are people who simply want to control others.
Incidentally, the pro-life movement are the reason there a special clinics strictly to perform abortions.
If any and every OB-GYN were allowed to perform abortions (it's a relatively simply procedure) they wouldn't be able to pull off these types of "protests."
They threaten OB-GYNs constantly - go as far as to send pregnant women to them for initial consultations. The "pro-life" woman will ask about obtaining an abortion. If the doctor indicates he is willing to perform it - then he/she becomes a target of those sweet, kind, gentle souls who love babies. Fear of that kind of interference in their practice keeps the doctors from ever performing one.
You can't even find an OB-GYN who will discuss these types of practices with lawmakers. They're that afraid of what these people can and will do. It's the jihadist mentality they fear. Ever wonder how the Taliban gained control in the middle east? Same way. Intimidation. It's alive and well here in the USA.
Thanks for the explanation, I didn't know how violent those people are..
According to the law - it's not "violence" - it's "protesting."
There was a security guard who was not allowed to leave the front step of the clinic. He was calling to us "Don't touch them! Don't touch them! Just keep walking!" as we approached. I came back outside to talk to him an hour or so later (we both smoked) (lol) and told him exactly what I thought of what had gone on. He just shook his head (lol) I could tell he'd heard it from EVERYONE who came in that clinic. (lol) He just said "There's nothing that can be done about it. Just ignore it." And he wasn't allowed to leave the clinic steps because his first responsibility was to keep them out of the clinic. He was the one who explained to me about the assaults and arrests - that's why he was yelling at us not to touch them. All he could do was act as a witness as to whether or not an assault had taken place.
I like the way that being anti-abortian is less acceptable than being anti-death penalty. That really worries me.
Less acceptable to whom? I'd like to respond to your statement, but I'm not sure which side you're criticizing.
I think he made himself the poster child for the movement.
The shooters family says he suffered from mental illness. This is not the pro-life way.
I would like to agree, but the problem lies not with the moderate pro-lifers, but with the extremists. Check out this website:
http://www.armyofgod.com/
(PS, I voted you back up.)
That would be easier to believe if Tiller hadn't been shot twice before, and other abortion doctors hadn't been killed or had their clinics bombed. Surely you can see that SOMEONE proclaiming themselves to be pro-life is doing this. Unless you want to be like the apologist pastor who said, "At this point, we do not know the motives of this act, or who is behind it, whether an angry post-abortive man or woman, or a misguided activist, or an enemy within the abortion industry, or a political enemy frustrated with the way Tiller has escaped prosecution. We should not jump to conclusions or rush to judgment."
HA! They're just setting up their loved one's defense.
What's to be done about those who aggravated his mental illness and gave him a cause in which to exercise his violence?
This is a silly question. It is like right after 9/11 asking, "We should stop calling Islam "religion of peace"", or "We should stop calling Saudi's rational people". Give me a break kid.
I think it was meant as a silly question.
Anti-choice. How about that?
That's the best option.