These are actually two different things. I am sure it is true only a minority of muslims is extremist so "yes" to the second part. However that minority does find justification for violence in islam so at least for them violence and terror do have a root in religion. And since a handfull of extremists can make life pretty miserable for many other people they are important and it is important for non-violent muslims to help fight these extremists.
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Kill all the men and deflowered women and keep the virgins for yourselves... geez, this must be from the violent Koran, right? Nope. Numbers 31:17-18
[3 points]56 days ago by plawlerReplyEdited 56 days ago by plawler
I have two possible responses to this. Here they are:
1)Excellent point plawler.
As plawler has clearly shown above, there is violence in the Torah. The Torah is the holy book of the first of the Abrahamic religions, Judaism.
Islam is the third of the great Abrahamic religions, and it draws it's root and many of its inspirations from the earlier Abrahamic religions.
Therefore, since there is violence in those earlier religions, there is violence at the root of Islam.
2)What is the point of doing this? Does pointing out Christianity's violence somehow negate that of Islam? You don't even make any arguments when you post these Bible verses. It's not like it's a shocking revelation to most people that the Bible contains violent verses. I don't understand why you would try and connect them to this question that is clearly about Islam. (Obv, I connected them, but that was just to make you look like an idiot, since I am sure you never would have posted those if you had thought they could be used to justify my original point) But, if your only method of defense is deflection, I guess that tells us how strong your arguments are, doesn't it.
[1 point]56 days ago by CDogReplyEdited 56 days ago by CDog
I wanted to get across both points, and felt that using a reply to each was the best way to do that.
Both of my critiques are valid for both of your responses. I just didn't feel like duping them to both responses.
For your benefit I shall adjust the responses so there is not further confusion.
I am an Atheist, so if you wish to attack religion, feel free to do so. But defending a religion by pointing out that another is just as bad is not a valid defense.
[1 point]56 days ago by CDogReplyEdited 56 days ago by CDog
I suppose you could argue that violence and terror have no roots in Christianity but tell that to the thousands of victims of the Inquisition. I have read that in the 1600's in the Sahara the Muslims would kill anyone who would not convert; if not kill you, take you as a slave and starve and beat you because infidels were less than human. And they weren't terrorists. They were common.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." --Jesus
[2 points]56 days ago by plawlerReplyEdited 56 days ago by plawler
I have two possible responses to this. Here they are:
1)Excellent point plawler.
As plawler has clearly shown above, there is violence in the life of Jesus. The life of Jesus is the basis for modern Christianity. Christianity is the second of the Abrahamic religions.
Islam is the third of the great Abrahamic religions, and it draws it's root and many of its inspirations from the earlier Abrahamic religions.
Therefore, since there is violence in those earlier religions, there is violence at the root of Islam.
2)What is the point of doing this? Does pointing out Christianity's violence somehow negate that of Islam? You don't even make any arguments when you post these Bible verses. It's not like it's a shocking revelation to most people that the Bible contains violent verses. I don't understand why you would try and connect them to this question that is clearly about Islam. (Obv, I connected them, but that was just to make you look like an idiot, since I am sure you never would have posted those if you had thought they could be used to justify my original point) But, if your only method of defense is deflection, I guess that tells us how strong your arguments are, doesn't it.
[1 point]56 days ago by CDogReplyEdited 56 days ago by CDog
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I wish.
Extremists are by definition a small minority.
Yes. Buy why do so many people of the same faith follow them and do their bidding?
These are actually two different things. I am sure it is true only a minority of muslims is extremist so "yes" to the second part. However that minority does find justification for violence in islam so at least for them violence and terror do have a root in religion. And since a handfull of extremists can make life pretty miserable for many other people they are important and it is important for non-violent muslims to help fight these extremists.
The life of Muhammad was a very violent life.
Muhammad was the perfect Muslim that all should emulate.
Therefore Islam has violence in it's root.
I agree but am not sure if the answer is yes or no here??
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Kill all the men and deflowered women and keep the virgins for yourselves... geez, this must be from the violent Koran, right? Nope. Numbers 31:17-18
I have two possible responses to this. Here they are:
1)Excellent point plawler.
As plawler has clearly shown above, there is violence in the Torah. The Torah is the holy book of the first of the Abrahamic religions, Judaism.
Islam is the third of the great Abrahamic religions, and it draws it's root and many of its inspirations from the earlier Abrahamic religions.
Therefore, since there is violence in those earlier religions, there is violence at the root of Islam.
2)What is the point of doing this? Does pointing out Christianity's violence somehow negate that of Islam? You don't even make any arguments when you post these Bible verses. It's not like it's a shocking revelation to most people that the Bible contains violent verses. I don't understand why you would try and connect them to this question that is clearly about Islam. (Obv, I connected them, but that was just to make you look like an idiot, since I am sure you never would have posted those if you had thought they could be used to justify my original point) But, if your only method of defense is deflection, I guess that tells us how strong your arguments are, doesn't it.
oic... when it's about Jews or Muslims it's an "excellent point." When it's about Christians it's "not even remotely connected" and "deflection." ;o)
I wanted to get across both points, and felt that using a reply to each was the best way to do that.
Both of my critiques are valid for both of your responses. I just didn't feel like duping them to both responses.
For your benefit I shall adjust the responses so there is not further confusion.
I am an Atheist, so if you wish to attack religion, feel free to do so. But defending a religion by pointing out that another is just as bad is not a valid defense.
I suppose you could argue that violence and terror have no roots in Christianity but tell that to the thousands of victims of the Inquisition. I have read that in the 1600's in the Sahara the Muslims would kill anyone who would not convert; if not kill you, take you as a slave and starve and beat you because infidels were less than human. And they weren't terrorists. They were common.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." --Jesus
I have two possible responses to this. Here they are:
1)Excellent point plawler.
As plawler has clearly shown above, there is violence in the life of Jesus. The life of Jesus is the basis for modern Christianity. Christianity is the second of the Abrahamic religions.
Islam is the third of the great Abrahamic religions, and it draws it's root and many of its inspirations from the earlier Abrahamic religions.
Therefore, since there is violence in those earlier religions, there is violence at the root of Islam.
2)What is the point of doing this? Does pointing out Christianity's violence somehow negate that of Islam? You don't even make any arguments when you post these Bible verses. It's not like it's a shocking revelation to most people that the Bible contains violent verses. I don't understand why you would try and connect them to this question that is clearly about Islam. (Obv, I connected them, but that was just to make you look like an idiot, since I am sure you never would have posted those if you had thought they could be used to justify my original point) But, if your only method of defense is deflection, I guess that tells us how strong your arguments are, doesn't it.
These are 2 different questions that have opposite answers.
On this we agree.