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They'd be a lot funnier if they weren't true.

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Not worthy of reply.

Yet you replied to him :(

And you are wrong about my gender, too.

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Not jealousy, education.

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If free thinking and news other than Fox is being elitist snob, absolutely.

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According to one member of the forum, being egalitarian and classless in your philosophies is being an elitist snob--another Fox watcher, where war is peace.

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Google Newspeak.

I don't hate the USA at all. Far from it. Unfortunately some of the people who frequent this website are against free speech and hate it when anyone's opinion differs from their own.

You are right!! And they vote to moderate down those opinions.

I agree, I think that happens far too often. The only time I see the moderating of a comment down as valid, is when the comment is a vicious attack on one individual, uncivil or racially slurred.

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financial health most of the world would kill for, is not the dollar on an all time low and your economy is on a level not seen since the great depression?

No.

The USA financial situation at its worst is better than most of the world at their best.

So, did you know who said it? Just checking.

I think to draw conclusions where a country is fit for a laugh or not should not be generalise from one perspective. Personally, I adore America in many ways such as the many freedoms she offered. But there are other aspects that other nations tend to deplore and one of those aspect is the insistence that other countries should follow America-way.

For some countries that:

1. Do not have majority of its population that are educated or in tune with development around the world.

2. Majority of them are divided into so many different clans and races and even languages.

3. Although the population at large may recognised corruption and abuse of power by authorities, there is hardly anything they can do about it because to bring food home is already a big worry everyday. Put yourself in the layman's shoes.

5. Access to firearms is relatively easy.

6. They have a long history of conflicts and internal strive going back a couple of millenium.

What I generally feel is that how open the practice of freedom and democracy can be allowed should be measured by how developed the general population's thinking and mindset is.

Take for example in my own country - A Deputy Minister of Health blurted out during a Parlimentary Session that - Doctors are licensed to Kill. Frankly although I promote democracy, but certainly not too open because you end up asshole like that dictating medical and health policies ... imagine our horror!

So do you honestly think All Freedom and Open Democracy is going to work in that country??? Seriously?

Well said, Cseng. The TRUE problem is that very little information outside of America ever really gets to Americans. We are told, again and again by George Bush (and his pals) that America is 'perfect.' We need no thoughts, ideas or opinions other than our own. Now, most of us know this is not true. But many, many people believe this propaganda. They have been told that to disagree with the government is to be unpatriotic and to hate America.

The problems we have in this country are many. And our government has appealed to Americans sense of greed and fear to get us to this point in our history.

In response to your list above:

1.) Education and advancement has declined in this country due to greed. Ronald Reagan cut our taxes to make people happy. Since less money was coming into the government, the government cut funding to the schools. Our students have less resources to learn then they had 20 and 30 years ago. So we have fallen behind. It is the greedy Americans who are happy with this. They have more money now. Now that our schools are doing poorly, they blame the teachers instead of the fact that the students don't get updated books.

2.) The majority of us are not divided into any type of clan or race. Most all of us consider ourselves American first. We like our different heritages, and have many holidays for each culture. And virtually everyone joins in during every other culture's celebrations. Many new immigrants are coming into this country, but that is what America is all about. People rarely like anything 'new' when it first happens, but once they understand it, they love it. Americans are no different. Right now we are going through a time to adapt to a new culture that is joining America: Mexico. But I personally have ancestors from England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, France, Germany, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland and Luxembourg. That is what makes me an American.

3.) This is a half day conversation. I'll try to talk about it below.

5.)As to the access of firearms - I'm sure much of what you hear is not completely true. It is very shocking to have so many people killed by guns. But three times as many people in America are killed by hands and feet than are killed by guns. People being murdered is always bad, but somehow a murder is more shocking when it's done with a gun - so people talk about gun violence more then they do hands and feet. Talking about violence is part of what they do to keep us in fear. Fear of each other, fear of strangers and fear of what may happen at any moment in our lives because we live in a free country. But bad things happen to people in every country every day. I can tell you I have never, ever feared walking down the street in my city.

6.) Yes, we are full of many cultures that have very old fights. But if an English American is arguing with a German American, and someone from another country punches the German in the nose, I have a feeling the English American is going to punch the non-American.

As to 3.):

Although the oceans that separate us from the rest of the world have been blessing at many times, these same oceans truly KEEP most Americans from ever meeting people from other countries and other cultures. It is very easy lie and instill fear of things into people when they have very little contact with the outside world. They show it to us on TV, but they are very careful of what they allow through.

Yes, we have freedom of the press, but corporations have taken over the media and have often have the final say in what information is allowed to be given. The law USED to demand that many different people own the media. Bush's appointees changed the law. When reporters report on the corruption of the government, the government uses laws to jail these reporters until they tell them where they got the information. The Bush administration does not ADMIT they've done wrong, they say the people who TOLD they broke the law are the lawbreakers. They say the information they did wrong was "classified" - therefore the reporters are guilty of revealing classified information.

We have a very bad and uphill battle in America to regain our OWN freedom. And we're having to fight Americans to do it. It doesn't matter what truth you tell them, they believe what the government says. They are very foolish people.

If America can find her way out from under this current wave we have to take away our freedoms, democracy will always work. But those who wish to take away our freedoms have found the most effective way to remove them is with fear. They tell us to fear other countries, other cultures and new ideas. And I would guess, since they talk so much about the bad in this country in other countries, many governments who do not WANT to have democratic societies will use the worst parts of America to instill fear of democracy in their citizens. I wish us both luck. Not every society can be happy with a democratic government. Good and bad come with every form of government. But America will never truly be herself without freedom and democracy.

Well, as I start this reply I admit I am still reading, I just decided to start writing after finishing your first point about education, especially the part about students not getting updated books. This statement immediately brought to mind the case of my friend's academically gifted daughter who spent the last two years of her high school education in a prep school for gifted students. Her teachers do not stress the need for updated books, they stress the ability to think and to utilize the many extraordinary founts of knowledge on the Internet. They use wikis and other sources of useful information and learn how to separate the wheat from the chaf.

In the modern age it is difficult to keep students supplied with updated books because every year new information becomes available which may render at least some of last years information obsolete. For example, just from my personal experience, I can think of some recent examples. I do a lot of medical research for lawyers. In the last year I had one project concerning breast cancer and another one concerning prostate cancer. Our medical library's textbooks on these subject are very out of date. Their newest textbook on breast cancer dates all the way back to 2004, while their most recent textbook on prostate cancer is ancient -- it was published in 2002. The only way to stay on top of these subjects in to rely on the abundant peer-reviewed journal literature and the many fine sources of information on the Internet, such as http://www.cancer.gov, http://www,oncologystat.com, and http://www.oncolink.com just for starters. Then you can quickly see the futility of trying to keep students supplied with updated textbooks. The facts change too darned quickly and, besides, why spend a fortune on outdated books? Put the money into computers and teaching kids how to do research instead. The old techniques of teaching the three Rs are passe. Pick up a book like "Mind Performance Hacks" and just get a taste of the many new ways to acquire knowledge. Oops, ... I better go back to reading your message. This comment only relates to your first point. :-)

Um, okay, I read down a little further and the next thing I come across that inspires me to comment is your thoughts about violence in America. I remember when I lived in New York City. My relatives down South wrote us letters that continually expressed a fear for our lives living in such a dangerous place. The funny thing is in all my years in the NYC area I never personally witnessed one violent crime. In fact, when I got into my teens my family moved to New Jersey and I would often take a bus into the city to hang out on weekends. I remember one weekend in particular I was hanging out in Greenwich Village and about 4AM I decided to walk uptown from Bleeker and MacDougal in the Village, to the Port Authority bus terminal at 40th St and 8th Ave. It was a long walk but I arrived at the bus terminal about an hour later and I got there unharmed and did not witness one mugging or one murder during the entire length of my walk uptown.

Now it has been many years and I now live in the South, but to this very day I have still never witnessed a violent crime personally and if it was not for newspapers, magazines, and television I would not know violent crimes ever took place in our society. Either I have been very lucky or the media GREATLY exaggerates the extent of crime in our lives. I do suppose if I lived across the street from a crack house I might see a different side of life in the USA, but mama always said if you go looking for trouble you're likely to find it. I try to not go looking for it.

Now back to reading your comment. :-)

Um, I don't think there is much else to comment on because I agree with your conclusion. I think the bottom line is the fact America is such an incredible homogenation of ideas and personalities it is only the structure of our society that enables us all to get along despite our differences. Our ability to get along, our willingness to try to get along, is a part of what it is about Americans that makes us quite unique among the peoples of the world. We are the part of all of them, all who crave freedom and the ability to be individuals. Many hate us for this reason, maybe because we have it and they don't, or maybe because they don't see us appreciative to the extent they might be if they were us. But you are better at putting it into words so I won't even try to define something you already have a handle on.

A thoughtful commentary Chipmonk. I agree wholeheartedly.

Thanks, Mike! :-)

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As of right now, 9:00 Am EDT, 61% of *American* respondents agree or strongly agree--that's a higher margin than that by which any President recently has been elected--and almost exactly the percentage of popular vote that Johnson received in what was termed a landslide. Even Ray-gun (god, I loved the 60s!) received only 58.8%.

But it's nice to know Korea thinks better of us--only 50% there!

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