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I suppose you're right. It's in response to a comment on another survey that pointed to a 'real' survey in the US that showed that the majority of US citizens who responded would trust a Christian, a Jew or a Muslim over an atheist. That struck me as both interesting and very disturbing.
I'll leave it here as a talking point if nothing else.
(Maybe if it was... 'Of the following, who would you trust most?'...)
[1 point]1 year ago by StevemacReplyEdited 1 year ago by Stevemac
He is responding to a remark I made about how atheists are more distrusted than Muslims. You can see the entire discussion, and the context in which I made the remark, here:
Literally. 1 Peter 5:2, "Care for the flock that God has entrusted to you" Luke 12:32 "Do not be afraid, little flock" Acts 20:28 "Feed and shepherd God’s flock—his church"
If you think most Democrats agree with each other, you obviously don't know very many Democrats. Oh, wait... you already told us you don't associate with people whom you don't agree with, so why would we be surprised when you don't know anything about them.
Atheism means you have to treat others honorably in the here-and-now, because they are the only ones who can forgive you. No mass murder now, deathbed confession, absolution, and spending eternity in heaven. It is a HIGHER standard of behavior than one predicated on getting post-death rewards for being sorry before you die.
One of the MAJOR differences between Protestantism and Catholicism lies in the requirements for salvation. Protestants believe that salvation happens only through God's grace, so faith is the ONLY requirement; Catholics believe that it takes both faith AND good works. Atheists believe that there is no standard by which to judge a person except how you treat your fellow man, and salvation is a null concept.
(Not all Protestants believe that way.) It is better for us to live under a moral code anyway. The, "Positive Way" can be positive for all belief systems. Thanks for you reply.
[1 point]1 year ago by TorqueReplyEdited 1 year ago by Torque
Actually, having attended a Southern Baptist college and been required to take Bible classes, i am rather familiar with what it says. That has NOTHING to do with dogma. The wonder to me is how many so-called Christians take heart from things that support their prejudices and hatreds, but have a real hard time with the very simple teachings of Jesus. I recommend a red-letter edition, in which Jesus' words are printed in red. It comes to just a few tens of pages, maybe 30 in all.
I really hate to say so, but I would be more careful with a Muslim in my country. Because often they moved here, and don't get a good job or scholing and therefore they are often mentioned in media in criminal conflicts.
Ofcourse you CAN NOT generalize this for every atheist, muslim, christian or jew. Time, place and media are important factors
i don't know who thinks Christians are not trustworthy but the Christians beliefs and values are very good how could you not trust a "real" christian... i dont get it.... the religion is all about being a good person... thow shall not steal etc. you guys are a bunch of weirdos as far as im concerned =S lol
It's the obedience in religion that makes it so scary. People themselves never think they're doing something evil, they're always performing their actions with god on their side.
So that's why I don't trust people who think they're following a higher authority than themselves. It only means they've given up thinking for themselves.
Yes, let's look to China who fixed the problem under this type of thinking. So, what did they do or do do? Just kill the ones who follow any religion, I guess that proves your point. A unified world suddenly.
[2 points]1 year ago by TorqueReplyEdited 1 year ago by Torque
Agreeing to follow a positive way wither under Jesus, Ala, or Atheism is not a valid reason not to trust each or all of them. Each one could be dishonest under each set of ethics. Of course then I am not answering the question. You do not trust those who believe in God as much. In a nut shell we all need to respect each other and live together. So, the question is, well we do it?
Good answer and part of the reason why I posted the poll in the first place. Religious affiliation is not a prerequisite to trust or distrust. As Asroc said in the very first comment, actions speak louder than words.
But, there is an overwhelming and irrational fear of atheism in the US and that fear is unsubstantiated. There is a lack of evidence proving that atheists are any less trustworthy than those who are affiliated with an organised religion. It is merely a view held by many who belong to a particular religion that not believing in God makes you somehow less trustworthy or even less moral.
Religion is not the sole arbiter of morality.
For me, religion is one of the most divisive creations of man but please do not confuse religion and faith. Many, many people believe in a power (God) greater than themselves yet do not affiliate themselves with any organised religion; this helps and comforts them in their lives; this for them is a good thing and if it helps them to be better human beings then it is also a good thing for all.
One other thing, I have never met nor have I ever heard of atheists who proselytise, yet, to speak of atheism or to admit to atheism makes you somehow dangerous to those who are affiliated to an organised religion. Why? Do they feel threatened somehow?
[1 point]1 year ago by StevemacReplyEdited 1 year ago by Stevemac
According to Conservative Boston radio talk show host, Michael Graham, I'm what's known as a EuroWeenie.
That's what he calls anyone from Europe who doesn't touch the forelock in deference to the almighty U S of A.
So, I guess I'm a EuroWeenie then, and proud of it.
I would consider actions, andwords as reasons to trust or not trust someone, not their religion.
Of course, but that is not the point of the survey.
Well I would not expect too many votes if I were you.
I suppose you're right. It's in response to a comment on another survey that pointed to a 'real' survey in the US that showed that the majority of US citizens who responded would trust a Christian, a Jew or a Muslim over an atheist. That struck me as both interesting and very disturbing.
I'll leave it here as a talking point if nothing else.
(Maybe if it was... 'Of the following, who would you trust most?'...)
The entire article, including data, from the American Sociological Review:
http://www.soc.umn.edu/pdf/atheistAsOther.pdf
You got a lot of votes and it is a good question.
Or starting with "Based only on religious affiliation...."
I couldn't answer the question either, but I did vote it up.
Same here.
Would be funny to see this one make it to the top with 0 votes :P
=D
LOL, I voted ewe up, but apparently not voting is worthy of a vote down!
Nah, it is a couple of the republicans, attacking the person, regardless of the comment.
Just what IS the point of the survey? Are you trying to create antagonism?
Read above for the point of the survey.
He is responding to a remark I made about how atheists are more distrusted than Muslims. You can see the entire discussion, and the context in which I made the remark, here:
http://www.ask500people.com/questions/why-do-so-many-americans-reject-evolution#comment_181025
I made the remark based on this study:
http://www.soc.umn.edu/pdf/atheistAsOther.pdf
I don't think he trying to create antagonism, but to test the hypothesis--an unusual, and laudatory, use of the website.
Ugh! You guys are sooo racist! I am muslim and I am sad to see that more than half of you would not trust me!
Of these four, I'd trust the one that considers itself a flock of sheep the least. Christianity.
There's nothing more dangerous then a mass of people not thinking for themselves.
Sounds like the lemmings from the Republican Party.
Literally. 1 Peter 5:2, "Care for the flock that God has entrusted to you" Luke 12:32 "Do not be afraid, little flock" Acts 20:28 "Feed and shepherd God’s flock—his church"
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[-4 points] 1 year ago by deleted user ReplyIf you think most Democrats agree with each other, you obviously don't know very many Democrats. Oh, wait... you already told us you don't associate with people whom you don't agree with, so why would we be surprised when you don't know anything about them.
"There's nothing more dangerous then a mass of people not thinking for themselves."
Then most religions are very dangerous. Though I wouldn't disagree, Christianity is obviously not the only religion acting like a flock of sheep
Right, associate with those who feel there are no consequences after you die.
Atheism means you have to treat others honorably in the here-and-now, because they are the only ones who can forgive you. No mass murder now, deathbed confession, absolution, and spending eternity in heaven. It is a HIGHER standard of behavior than one predicated on getting post-death rewards for being sorry before you die.
One of the MAJOR differences between Protestantism and Catholicism lies in the requirements for salvation. Protestants believe that salvation happens only through God's grace, so faith is the ONLY requirement; Catholics believe that it takes both faith AND good works. Atheists believe that there is no standard by which to judge a person except how you treat your fellow man, and salvation is a null concept.
(Not all Protestants believe that way.) It is better for us to live under a moral code anyway. The, "Positive Way" can be positive for all belief systems. Thanks for you reply.
Not all individuals, perhaps, but it is one of THE defining differences that Luther put forth in his 95 theses. Dogmatically, I am correct.
That would be ,"cheap grace", it is not correct at all nor is it biblical, yet it is a very major view. "Faith without works is dead" James 2:20
Actually, having attended a Southern Baptist college and been required to take Bible classes, i am rather familiar with what it says. That has NOTHING to do with dogma. The wonder to me is how many so-called Christians take heart from things that support their prejudices and hatreds, but have a real hard time with the very simple teachings of Jesus. I recommend a red-letter edition, in which Jesus' words are printed in red. It comes to just a few tens of pages, maybe 30 in all.
Agreed.
I really hate to say so, but I would be more careful with a Muslim in my country. Because often they moved here, and don't get a good job or scholing and therefore they are often mentioned in media in criminal conflicts.
Ofcourse you CAN NOT generalize this for every atheist, muslim, christian or jew. Time, place and media are important factors
i don't know who thinks Christians are not trustworthy but the Christians beliefs and values are very good how could you not trust a "real" christian... i dont get it.... the religion is all about being a good person... thow shall not steal etc. you guys are a bunch of weirdos as far as im concerned =S lol
It's the obedience in religion that makes it so scary. People themselves never think they're doing something evil, they're always performing their actions with god on their side.
So that's why I don't trust people who think they're following a higher authority than themselves. It only means they've given up thinking for themselves.
Yes, let's look to China who fixed the problem under this type of thinking. So, what did they do or do do? Just kill the ones who follow any religion, I guess that proves your point. A unified world suddenly.
That's another precious religious virtue, shove anything off on other groups, very Christian of you.
Hey, it maybe harsh but it was just a contrast that both sides have the same underlying problem. That is all.
Oh yeah definitely. I'm in no way trying to make China look better. The main thing that lacks here is rationality.
I'll trust the person who promotes rationality. Whatever his background.
Agreeing to follow a positive way wither under Jesus, Ala, or Atheism is not a valid reason not to trust each or all of them. Each one could be dishonest under each set of ethics. Of course then I am not answering the question. You do not trust those who believe in God as much. In a nut shell we all need to respect each other and live together. So, the question is, well we do it?
Good answer and part of the reason why I posted the poll in the first place. Religious affiliation is not a prerequisite to trust or distrust. As Asroc said in the very first comment, actions speak louder than words.
But, there is an overwhelming and irrational fear of atheism in the US and that fear is unsubstantiated. There is a lack of evidence proving that atheists are any less trustworthy than those who are affiliated with an organised religion. It is merely a view held by many who belong to a particular religion that not believing in God makes you somehow less trustworthy or even less moral.
Religion is not the sole arbiter of morality.
For me, religion is one of the most divisive creations of man but please do not confuse religion and faith. Many, many people believe in a power (God) greater than themselves yet do not affiliate themselves with any organised religion; this helps and comforts them in their lives; this for them is a good thing and if it helps them to be better human beings then it is also a good thing for all.
One other thing, I have never met nor have I ever heard of atheists who proselytise, yet, to speak of atheism or to admit to atheism makes you somehow dangerous to those who are affiliated to an organised religion. Why? Do they feel threatened somehow?