| Liberals speak of freedom of thought -- except when your thought doesn't comport with theirs. |
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Asked 2 years ago
by WiseOne  United States |
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Conservative, experienced, rational, thoughtful, astute, open-minded, retired.
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More droppings.....
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This seems to be a trend amongst some of the republicans here.
They claim Liberals are big spenders when history consistently shows they are reducing the budget deficit. They even go as far as calling Liberals Nazies when they themselves are both more dictatorial and right wing then Hitler himself.
You're wrong again, libby. All libbys want to reduce is defense spending. Try reading something other than the Huff&Puff and MoveOn.org. :-)
We also want to get rid of funds for religious groups.
I should point out that Wiseone is correct about liberals wanting to reduce defense while increasing other areas. They do. There are many coherent arguments in the GOP platform; unfortunately, all that is being heard is the rhetoric that is being pushed by the machine on their side. Take a look at one of the first listing on the search - it should be "how to debate a liberal" from the Patriot Post. It informs you "how liberals think" (personally, I don't think they talked to any, lol) and what your responses should be. It also asks you to "affirm your oath" to the constitution by registering with the Essential Liberty Project. When you create an army mentality in people to back your ideology, your end result is going to be what we are currently getting - stalemate. This is true for both sides. I am finding any real debate on many issues to be lacking - we are instead reduced to "Liberals this" and "conservatives that". Both sides have a point, and I don't think anyone is listening.
The debates are shouted down, it is all about attacking the other person. The people think that the truth must be somewhere in the middle so whoever tells the biggest lie "wins". It is rather sad to watch...
Lol, you are telling me...I'm on the verge of sticking my fingers in my ears and going "LALALALALALA"!
That shouting down is exactly the king of thing you get with the army mentality. "If you don't back down, we will make you".
Ewe make a good point Sheep. It seems with both sides screaming "you are wrong, we are right" nothing really gets done.
*Let me amend that, NOTHING positive gets done ;0)
Getting nothing done would be a big improvement over the current administration's "progress".
Hum, but I wonder if either side really looks any better being hateful. I know there are reasons and rationals for it, trust me, I do, but does engaging in such behavior allow anyone to win. Seems to me pushing back when being pushed only is creating more animosity and creating the mentality that we will do as we like when in power.
I was recently "reminded" how my guy lost the election so if I don't like what the other side is doing that is my problem and is to be expected, seems to me for all my disapproval I have created a scenario where the other guy won't listen to me and feels screwing me is payback for what, their being screwed by my guy. Seems like with an eye for an eye, eventually everyone will be blind.
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ROFLMAO! What you're describing is a Chicago-style debate. Obammy and his handlers are making it the norm. You and your fellow sheep are following them to the slaughter. :-)
While I understand that there are always people who are stubborn and blinded by their beliefs and the persuasion of people they sympathize with or identify with in some way or another...
There are many conservatives, liberals, moderates, and progressives, who all have their own way of believing things should be, yet the facts must be recognized by all as such.
The conflict and problems arise when there are those who have been so misled by people with unjust motives - which leads to misperception of what is and is not reality or truth.
Freedom of speech is all fine and good, as long as it is based on facts and hard evidence, with full support of proof, not relying on what some guy on TV said or what some corporate-owned Senator wants people to do or believe because then he can pocket those millions of dollars in "contributions" (see: bribes)...
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[3 points] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyKeep waiting....
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Who in their right mind would support that piece of shit?
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[3 points] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyWho is their right ming would consider it a piece of shit?
Liberal;
1: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions" [syn: broad, large-minded, tolerant]
2: having political or social views favoring reform and progress
3: tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition [ant: conservative]
You know, I wish that were still true. But it has not been true since Kennedy-Nixon :^(
1. Broad-mindedness has been retired in favor of progressive's Government control of everything and anti-business/anti-success stance.
2. Liberals advocate reform when it brings people under their control, then call it progress.
3. Tolerant of changes proposed by Democrats. No tolerances of any changes from elsewhere. Work on anything that will allow them more power and authority at the expense of state authority, community authority, individual authority and constitutional rights. [ant: Libertarian]
1) I am for consumer protection, big business is set up in such a way to privatize the profit but socialize the risks.
2) Health-care is a good example where a tax funded provides greater freedom to the individual then under your current system.
3) See 2
Are there many death threats made to Republican leaders right now or in the past?
1) Not much consumer protection here. Lots of expensive regulation that kills the economy though.
2) Nope. Does not. Pure and simple. Expands Government control though.
3) Huh?
I never said anything about death threats. I haven't looked up anything.
1) The lack of regulation nearly killed your economy a couple of years ago. Learn what to regulate and what not and most important learn why...
2) If you have a job with health insurance and develop a chronic illness, you might find it difficult to find another job with health insurance. In a tax funded system that becomes an irrelevant factor.
3) Government here or any other nation where I have spend time (NZ and the Netherlands) have never used health care to limit my freedom quite the opposite as I explained in "2"
An authoritarian group will use any means to get what they want, So I ask again are any death threats being made against Republicans (by Democrats)
Over-regulation in 2 areas combined with under-regulation in a third nearly killed the economy. It's not for the Executive branch to decide who and how much to regulate. Legislators have been doing the Executive branch's job by over-regulating housing and oil production, with disastrous results. The Executive branch has been doing the Legislator's job on Banking regulation with equally bad results. Plus the Executive branch has badly regulated Securities and gutted the SEC. I am for responsible regulation involving the checks and balances built into the constitution and strongly against Democrats using regulations to punish whole industries.
Your question; "An authoritarian group will use any means to get what they want, ... are any death threats being made against Republicans (by Democrats)"
I don't know. But your question is irrelevant in terms of what the Democrats are accused of. Democrats are accused of trying to remake America into a second class country, (like Austria) where they can become a one party state without the unsuccessful violence used by the Soviets.
Really really odd that I am thinking the exact opposite. "Conservatives speak of freedom of thought -- except when your thought doesn't comport with theirs."
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[-1 points] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyYou confuse left/right wing with liberal/conservatism. There are plenty of right wingers that are liberal, Ron Paaul is a good example, he is further right wing then ANY Republican and more libertarian then MOST Liberals (including Obama)
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Wingnutt, please don't confuse ask001. In his "little world" black is very dark white! :-)
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There are no open minded right wingers or close minded left wingers?
Good food for thought Ask.
Au contraire. That is all there are! :-)
Do you know any French other than "au contraire"? You do realise that France is a leftist nation...
I would guess that any western nation is leftist in his view, they all have socialized medicine...
LOL!
What is an open minded person again? Someone that can't make up their mind?
JW, haha, whom are you speaking of, lol ;0)
Women lol.
Really wonder what the ladies think of that, wait scratch that, haha that is funny, wait scratch that, are you saying women can't make up their mind ;0)
Some one that is willing to change their opinion as new facts come to light ;)
By that definition, no politician could be open minded. They would be crucified.
Sad isn't it?
It is sad. I found myself stopping a letter to my local blue dog Democrat House member. I personally find the man an outstanding human being and agree with him most of the time. But he finally voted against his stated beliefs to join Pelosi in ruining America. I decided that though he had signed his own political death warrant, piling on was a poor reaction to a tragic difference of opinion.
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In other words... the diametric opposite of you!
Hum, yes, but more so someone at least willing to LISTEN to the other side thoughtfully and not passing too much judgment ;0)
If some one comes with solid argument you and I have both changed our minds.
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Of course you do. That is because you have a twisted view of reality. :-)
You are right, conservatives (specially in the U.S.) tend to be more authoritarian, as can be seen by their opposition to same sex marriage, or favoring wiretapping without warrants.
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Well, if chipmonk and ask001 agree, then it must be true! :-)
And if translate agrees with them... well, then it must be an absolute truth! roflmao :-)
Argumentum ad hominem. -1
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Oh, please... not the dreaded -1! Your actions are always so authoritarian.
And I advertise it when I do give comments the -1, just to make sure I am not accused of backstabbing ;)
Maybe you would prefer it if I just marked those comments down, without explaining my reasons why?
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Since when do you care about what I prefer? My preference is that you and everyone else not be authorized to censor my comments.
I would prefer it if every one was happy and lived forever in peace but we have to deal with the world we live in, I thought you, of all people would understand that!
So let me try this again, would prefer it if I just marked those comments down, without explaining my reasons why?
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You just don't listen, do you? I would prefer that you log off, go away, and never return. :-),
I see, next time I feel the need to -1 you, I will just do that without explaining why. :-),
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Censor away, libby. :-)
And you call yourself open minded? You have still not been able to grasp the difference between liberal (open minded) and conservative (intolerant of other ideas)
What is it with all those childish personal attacks?
Did you get your definitions from a libby comic book?
Here's mine:
Conservatives respect the constitution, respect life, desire less government and advocate personal responsibility.
Liberals abhor the constitution, disrespect life, desire more government and advocate dependency.
Funny, many of the framers were liberals/progressives. Surely respect for life includes the lives of Iraqis, illegal immigrants, the uninsured, gay people... but the right seem obsessed only with the unborn. The right may desire less government, yet they have repeatedly built it up, in the form of the fed gov in recent years and of course the military, which is an arm of the government.
Personal responsibility? I've met only a handful of conservatives who don't believe in god - the Abrahamic religions all eschew personal responsibility by claiming that god can make everything ok if we pray hard enough and a miracle occurs. Fact is, you make a mistake, you did it and no-one, no god can change that. Socialist atheists understand that.
Your sweeping statements defeat you.
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Many of the framers were Liberals in the original sense, but none were progressive. The Torys were Progressives.
Conservatives respect for life includes the lives of Iraqis, illegal immigrants, the uninsured, gay people and the unborn. But we refuse to celebrate lawlessness, our enemies, being poor and lying about rights vs. preferences. We defend the rights of the lawful, the innocent, the honest and the productive.
Conservatives want less federal government. Many are Republicans. Many Republicans are Progressives though. (From Roosevelt to both Bushes and McCain) Progressives trust in and work for more government. Liberal Progressives have Socialist aims. Conservative Progressives have Fascist aims.
You are just wrong about the Abrahamic religions all eschewing personal responsibility. It is exactly the opposite. The Abrahamic religions are the only ones that demand that you, individually make choices. Socialist Atheists traditionally require that the State make your choices for you.
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Why? Everything I said was a direct response to gaygael and none was a personal attack.
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It's all ask001 has left. He has become a censor bitch! :-)
"Everything I said was a direct response to gaygael and none was a personal attack." - "Socialist Atheists traditionally require that the State make your choices for you."
I think he was responding to your unthinking propagandist bs, but that may just be me.
According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the Center for American Progress, "Progressivism is an orientation towards politics, It's not a long-standing ideology... but an historically-grounded concept... that accepts the world as dynamic." Conservatives are static, or at least dynamic only within rigid boundaries (e.g. the concrete constitution, the bible, etc.) I have no idea what your definition of progressivism, but I suspect it is not the one shared by most people.
When you're talking about defending the rights of the innocent-blah-blah-blah it sounds like rhetoric rather than considered policy. You are being vague about "respect for life" and even more so about "rights vs. preferences".
It seems like you are inventing new, personal definitions of what a liberal or conservative progressive is.
Abrahamic religions most certainly do eschew responsibility - they tell you to behave or else God will punish you. But they also say that if Allah/Yahweh/Jesus feel a bit soft for you they can forgive you and make it all better. If you're Catholic you can even go to confession and it's all good again. Atheists have to live with their mistakes, knowing that if they've killed someone that person is gone and no amount of praying is going to make things better.
You need to get a better dictionary...
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Perhaps you need to learn the difference between common nouns and proper nouns... as a start. :-)
Oh and judging from the polls it seems most people agree with you. http://www.ask500people.com/questions/conservatives-speak-of-freedom-of-thought----except-when-your-thought-doesnt-comport-with-theirs
On this site that is equivalent to asking a group of pedophiles if they like children!
Do you like children?
This website is run by radical Liberals. What do you expect?
I expect you to do some research rather then follow this garbage. You know full well that I encourage freedom of thought and I consider myself a liberal socialist.
I also don't believe you run this website. I don't believe you have anything to do with organizing the Fascist Brown-shirts that censor this site.
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... except when our thoughts don't comport with yours. That's how you became the censoring -1 bitch!
You are obsessed with the word comport. Enough already.