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I suppose "don't kill other people" is pretty much accepted globally as an important rule to live one's life by - that it is a commandment though I think is incidental - and doesn't Ex.20:13 refer to a verse in Exodus, in the Old Testament, which is not in fact necessarily a Christian book?
A standard? For whom? For soldiers on a battlefield? For drunk drivers that drive head on into oncoming traffic? For parents who attack the believed attacker of their child even when they are only 20% certain they found the real criminal? For law enforcement officers who open fire on a suspect who is only carrying a flashlight but he would not freeze when they told him to because he was deaf.
No. It is not a standard. There are too many ways it can be violated by people who think they are doing the right thing.
[1 point]4 years ago by ChipmonkReplyEdited 4 years ago by Chipmonk
Oh NO you don't! The Commandment is "Thou Shalt Not KILL." There was NO appeal to Hebrew scholars to consult the Torah prior to the words being changed with the printing of "The New American Bible." The US biblical scholars INSERTED themselves and their political beliefs into the New American Bible by changing the words that have stood for thousands of years (and the words those religious zealot politicos DARE call "God's Own"). They did this to justify capital punishment despite God's commandment against killing. It's one more example of the bastardization of the bible by mankind to justify his own desires. And it was done by those who have the chutzpah to claim the bible is the absolute, unadulterated, literal word of God. These are the people who make me pray there is a hell. Because I want to see the look on their face when they discover the meaning of "taking the Lord's name in vain." It's not swearing - it's using God for your own ends. Like killing people.
Israel abolished the death penalty in 1954.
[3 points]4 years ago by sillynillyReplyEdited 4 years ago by sillynilly
Yep ur right, the word in the original Hebrew is "ratsach" definition: **A primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. Kill (a human being), especially to murder -- PUT TO DEATH, kill, (man-)slay(-er), murder(-er).**[from Strong's Hebrew dictionary]
It's pretty difficult to translate exactly one language to another, because there are nuances of meaning that often cannot be translated fully. Even more so the translation of an ancient form of a language, so it's quite possible to twist a translation to one's own ends.
I do believe in a higher power - my viewpoint on what God actually is changes from day to day. But there's some things that always stick in my craw and make me go ballistic. The Kill change to Murder is one that makes me nuts. (lol)
I seem to remember in Bible class at the University, that the instructor told us that the Aramaic word could easily be interpreted as murder rather than kill. Could be wrong, it was along time ago.
Yeah, I just checked--the New International Version uses "murder"
It's like the not suffering a witch to live verse in Exodus--apparently a better translation is "well-poisoner," which makes a lot of sense in a desert society--and was one of the things witches were routinely accused of in Europe.
Yes - it does. And it's a bunch of crap. Moses was the one who was handed the 10 Commandments - and he spoke Hebrew. The Commandments were handed down in Hebrew. This is nothing more than biblical re-wording, much like man has done for centuries.
Note that immediately after Moses got the original tablets, he provoked the murder of the majority of his followers, men, women and children, because they had been worshiping the golden calf and having a rowdy party in his absence.
The last part of this describes exactly how I view our current administration - doubting, but hoping there is justice that they will not get in this lifetime.
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."
The command does not say "Don't Kill". It says, "Don't murder". I just think it's wrong to assume they mean the same thing.
To kill someone is to deprive a person of life. But murdering is referred to as inhumane and slaughtering someone and is "committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime..." (Dictionary.com) This is not to say that taking life is okay, just that kill and murder mean different things.
But I'm still not sure what the question is asking. I guess everyone generally accepts that killing is wrong. I mean, something is obviously wrong with taking someone else's life.
[1 point]4 years ago by Miss_OpinionReplyEdited 4 years ago by Miss_Opinion
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A standard what?
An accepted standard for behavior.
I suppose "don't kill other people" is pretty much accepted globally as an important rule to live one's life by - that it is a commandment though I think is incidental - and doesn't Ex.20:13 refer to a verse in Exodus, in the Old Testament, which is not in fact necessarily a Christian book?
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user ReplyA standard? For whom? For soldiers on a battlefield? For drunk drivers that drive head on into oncoming traffic? For parents who attack the believed attacker of their child even when they are only 20% certain they found the real criminal? For law enforcement officers who open fire on a suspect who is only carrying a flashlight but he would not freeze when they told him to because he was deaf.
No. It is not a standard. There are too many ways it can be violated by people who think they are doing the right thing.
I don't know...can you hum it?
I don't have a hummer!
I used to be able to hum it but it's been so long since anyone asked, darn, I plumb forgot. Maybe it'll come back to me.
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user ReplyOh NO you don't! The Commandment is "Thou Shalt Not KILL." There was NO appeal to Hebrew scholars to consult the Torah prior to the words being changed with the printing of "The New American Bible." The US biblical scholars INSERTED themselves and their political beliefs into the New American Bible by changing the words that have stood for thousands of years (and the words those religious zealot politicos DARE call "God's Own"). They did this to justify capital punishment despite God's commandment against killing. It's one more example of the bastardization of the bible by mankind to justify his own desires. And it was done by those who have the chutzpah to claim the bible is the absolute, unadulterated, literal word of God. These are the people who make me pray there is a hell. Because I want to see the look on their face when they discover the meaning of "taking the Lord's name in vain." It's not swearing - it's using God for your own ends. Like killing people.
Israel abolished the death penalty in 1954.
Yep ur right, the word in the original Hebrew is "ratsach" definition: **A primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. Kill (a human being), especially to murder -- PUT TO DEATH, kill, (man-)slay(-er), murder(-er).**[from Strong's Hebrew dictionary]
It's pretty difficult to translate exactly one language to another, because there are nuances of meaning that often cannot be translated fully. Even more so the translation of an ancient form of a language, so it's quite possible to twist a translation to one's own ends.
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user ReplyMan - I did pop off with that one. Sorry. That WHOLE issue crawls up my arse for some reason ...
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user ReplyI do believe in a higher power - my viewpoint on what God actually is changes from day to day. But there's some things that always stick in my craw and make me go ballistic. The Kill change to Murder is one that makes me nuts. (lol)
=O
I seem to remember in Bible class at the University, that the instructor told us that the Aramaic word could easily be interpreted as murder rather than kill. Could be wrong, it was along time ago.
Yeah, I just checked--the New International Version uses "murder"
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2020:13&version=31
It's like the not suffering a witch to live verse in Exodus--apparently a better translation is "well-poisoner," which makes a lot of sense in a desert society--and was one of the things witches were routinely accused of in Europe.
Yes - it does. And it's a bunch of crap. Moses was the one who was handed the 10 Commandments - and he spoke Hebrew. The Commandments were handed down in Hebrew. This is nothing more than biblical re-wording, much like man has done for centuries.
Hope this link comes acrss, as it gives some idea of the Hebrew/Aramaic relationship, including using types of Aramaic influence to date Hebrew.
http://books.google.com/books?id=SoUclnY4eosC&pg=PA101&lpg=PA101&dq=aramaic+hebrew+realtionship&source=web&ots=B3RhlNwOlq&sig=GRwF-m-TAFCk3v5OotlsdXEysiE&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result
Note that immediately after Moses got the original tablets, he provoked the murder of the majority of his followers, men, women and children, because they had been worshiping the golden calf and having a rowdy party in his absence.
Did you ever see Mel Brooks' "History of the World?" I've always been curious as to what the other five commandments were. (lol)
The last part of this describes exactly how I view our current administration - doubting, but hoping there is justice that they will not get in this lifetime.
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user ReplyThis comment was deleted.
[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user Reply"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."
Not if Microsoft is allowed to influence the committee.
Excuse me...
The command does not say "Don't Kill". It says, "Don't murder". I just think it's wrong to assume they mean the same thing.
To kill someone is to deprive a person of life. But murdering is referred to as inhumane and slaughtering someone and is "committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime..." (Dictionary.com) This is not to say that taking life is okay, just that kill and murder mean different things.
But I'm still not sure what the question is asking. I guess everyone generally accepts that killing is wrong. I mean, something is obviously wrong with taking someone else's life.