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Iran successfully launched a satellite into orbit on Wed Feb 4'09. Does this 2 stage rocket pose a threat to the world? Ask a Question

Iran successfully launched a satellite into orbit on Wed Feb 4'09. Does this 2 stage rocket pose a threat to the world?
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Russia should just give Iran 120 nukes and 10 Billion dollars in military aid to balance the powers a bit.

Not in itself (they have had various rockets, missiles and cruise missiles for a while).

However it is another good reason to make sure they never get their hands on lightweight nukes.

Well any nukes actually.

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In general their technology is not up to much, but what is worrying is the determination these projects show to one day get it right and become a real threat.

I wonder if the Iranians think the same way whenever USA, UK or any other country manages to posses a high technology?

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OK has never used one against civilians. The US did not use them defensively. PLEASE DISAGREE.

I presume you meant UK when you wrote OK. The UK has never used nuclear weapons against military or civilian targets, ever. The US is the only nation on earth to have used nuclear weapons in combat.

As to whether they were used defensively or offensively is a different matter entirely.

You presumed correctly. My bad.

correction, Israel did use nuclear weapons against Gaza, Lebanon and Syria, that makes them two nations

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"Israel did use nuclear weapons against Gaza, Lebanon and Syria" - I didn't know you were into science fiction...

And which episode of Lost was that in then?

Amazing how so much reasoned argument can be flushed down the pan so quickly with one silly comment!

Don't know what their warped little minds think to be honest, and care even less.

Until they revolt and get rid of their leaders, they unfortunately all get tarred with the same brush.

Do you have any idea what Iran is like today?

A fanatical theocracy with a liberal sprinkling of downright moon-howling loonies would be my best guess, why, do you?

I have spoken to a few people there, it is certainly not as bad as what you described. It definitely could be a lot better, but I would have no problem visiting the place. Saudi Arabia is more fanatical in their religious laws then Iran. allowing the kids to name a teddy bear Mohamed could cost you your life over there.

The Saudi religious establishment is evil incarnate, but that is another story for another question.

I would classify your comments offensive.

give me 10 good reasons why they are evil?

I am sorry that you are offended, and I do not have time to list all the evils of every country in the world.

I will leave you with 2 though, their shameful treatment of women, and the cruel and vicious set of Wahhabism

Of course You have no idea what "Wahabism" is, what does it have to do with treating women and what does all of these relate to religion.

offense comes whenever you mix all together and start stereotyping and molding things into prefabricated terms.

"Wahabism", as some would call it is an educational movement to show people the malpractices in belief. It started when people had a habit of visiting tombs to get some blessings, and this violates the Islamic belief, it's sole purpose is to show people that this is wrong.

Treatment of women, in Saudi Arabia, is a pure cultural problem, it violates Islamic laws but people seem to overlook this part of Islam in favor to their habitual cultural practices.

I do not want to write a full article about Islam between essence and practice around the globe, but I would urge you to read more about them to see how diverse they are, it is more like saying "Europeans are all Christians, Christians are all the same Orthodox, Catholics and Protestants are one thing and people in Germany all dress like Bavarians.

I may have more idea of Wahabism than you think.

Many Islamic bodies in the UK have already been infected with this horrible form of Islam.

With modern communications, they now have video links to these evil old men and people can ask them for advice on how often they should beat their daughters and get live answers.

An extreme example i know, but only one of many.

UK is a multicultural society, I have all kinds of people in my neighbourhood, and meet muslims often, they are gentle, polite people and we all get along well.

This makes it even sadder that these nasty old men in Saudi and elsewhere would try to spread their evil here, and make folks hate each other, and destroy the peaceful message of Islam.

Amen

I wouldn't call their minds little, especially after what they manage to do lately.

besides, what is wrong with their leaders?

I am surprised that you need to ask me that, as you seem well educated and also like a reasoning person in general.

take a closer look at what goes on there, the stoning of innocent people for public entertainment, the hanging (actually slow strangulation) of child criminals, the ranting of the President against Israel, ...

For so many reasons they do not act in a civilised manner, and are unworthy of being taken seriously as a voice of their own people.

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I know JM, but I refuse to let them get the last word and think they have "won".

Actually reminded me of an old (sick) joke.

"If a man is into necrophillia, bestiality and flagellation - is he flogging a dead horse?"

ok, they do have wrong practices, they are dictators but it never make them harmful towards other nations to start fighting them.

every regime in this world has an agenda, including the most free nations, classifying them as evil or good is a little bit confusing over here.

I would agree that no nation is totally good, and non totally evil.

There have been and still are evil leaders for example Robert Mugabe or Kim Jong Il.

While Iran may not have actually invaded Anyone, they have funded others to do their work, in Lebanon and Israel, Iraq and probably other places too.

Iran like France, Russia, USA, Venezuela and other nations aspiring the role as a great nation with follower nations to have some sort of "cold war" model.

Is this more dangerous than George W Bush having NUCLEAR WEAPONS?

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The ONLY thing that bothers me about your statement was the usage of the word "perfected". Nothing is ever perfected. Challenger and Columbia immediately came to my mind..

LOL. I have the same problem with Gordy-boy, just too stubborn for words!

ONLY country in the history that used it's nuclear weapons against foreign country was USA!..

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Twice so far...

And saved hundreds of thousands of lives by doing so, peobably even millions, considering the likely suicidal nature of Japanese defensive "tactics" had the allies invaded the home islands.

They have not been used since because of the threat of thier destructive power was generally enough.

Does not Iran deserve the same defensive capability? Imagine all the lives that would be lost if America really invaded Iran.

edit: completely forgot that the nuclear program was for civilian use and not military <.< nevermind this comment!

Imagine all the lives that would be lost if Iran would have nukes.

Imagine all the lives that would be saved

I don't see how giving a nation ruled by a mixture of fanatics and total loonies even more destructive power could benefit anyone, even their own people.

Most likely it would bring destruction down on their heads faster than you can say "The Great Satan"

are u talking about usa and global crisis as result of it's fanatics? XD

PS: "The Great Satan"

As fanatic as the Bush administration? and their crusade campaign in the middle east?

But the American people could and did vote their loonie out of office, the poor Iranians are stuck with their evil old Ayatollas until they finally drop dead and go off in search of their 72 raisins.

I was never a fan of Iran, they do have their own way of thinking. However, it is least likely to happen if they did possess a nuke that they would use against any nation, not because of the people's votes but because they are rational enough to know the consequences of their actions.

As for people, they are emotional, they could vote to their own destruction. they could vote for unethical actions.

When someone thinks they have a wonderful afterlife awaiting, surrounded by nubile virgins, their desire for earthly life may well become quite flimsy :(

Do you think you can have a virgin in after life if you practiced bad deeds?

Killing for the sake of killing is sick. Struggling on the other hand is praised, to protect and serve humanity.

I don't think nuking another nation and waiting for a counter strike makes them illegible for a pleasant after life.

Finally, Iran (if they do care about Palestinians) they would never nuke Israel since this will kill half of Palestinians with such action

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Or you may become an asshole as Jonapril has become. Bitter, old, angry, sees the light at the end of the tunnel, etc. Hope it's painless, april.

how much lives in Iraq we are losing everyday with killing civilians by american "peace force".

imagine how much lives we can save if Iran get nuclear weapons)

"We"? You're Russian !

Your country never cares about lives.

It helps Iran develop nuclear weapons.

All it cares about is MONEY and trying to rival up with the US.

we - I meen humans.

you're racist.

it's economic. usa for example helps India with it's nuclearprogramm...

lol

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Asshole. GFY

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Someday, I will....and you will too. Stop being a tough guy and making the US your muscle. Can you answer what the #1 cause for Muslim hatred is? It's not that they hate us for our freedom. It's because of you and your country!

You are too ignorant and selfish to understand that it's not a conflict between Israel and the Muslims but a conflict between the free world and dark fanatic regimes.

The irony is that I wonder how many people that might have agreed with you have died on 9/11.

Say NO to terrorism.

Say YES to the free world.

Less than the amount that have died since then in 2 wars that are still raging. The say no/ say yes is good, but it's just words. The only solution, IMO, to stop the rocket attacks by Hamas, is to eradicate it. Do you honestly think that if Mexico was launching rockets into Texas every day, we would pound them by air for a few weeks? No, everything would be flattened down to the Panama Canal.

BTW - you don't know me. Calling me ignorant could be insulting. I know a few also. If possible, keep it civil. If not...

Well, I agree.

But what's your point? That Israel is not doing enough to eradicate Hammas?

I do not know if you have children, but it's like raising them. If you see your son take a cookie and tell him the next time he does you will slap his wrist, then you do it. I only know about your situation from what I read in our news, but you tell Hamas, enough is enough. The rockets stop today or we will flatten you. The next time, you gave them warning, you flatten them. Arab world is upset, Israel says we warned them. You go on from there. I remember the job you did to isolate Arafat with the bulldozers. Maybe you need a refresher course?

I TOTALLY agree with you.

But the main problem is that:

1. The current leadership in Israel is too weak (there will be elections for the government this week).

Israel has been suffering from rocket attacks for 8 years and only this year the government has decided to retaliate.

2. Muslim propaganda spread across Europe and the US meant to cause a global pressure on the government of Israel not to retaliate.

If I'm not wrong, some of this pressure comes from the US as well.

Israel needs aid from the US.

I'm no ashamed of that. I served in the army over here and worked with the US army.

I'm proud of my country and I'm proud I got to work with US soldiers.

We are more alike than you think.

Though I admit that some of us are unlucky enough to be surrounded by enemies who wish to eradicate us.

Israel and Russia are 2 countries I respect in the fact that they do what they believe is best for their countries first and don't really care about the international community and their thoughts concerning their actions. I think, since you are pretty much surrounded by hostility, you give them fair warning. You're not dealing with rational people. Here's the easy way, and tell your friends and elected officials...

1. Warn them

2. Stomp them

3. Ask who wants to be next

You DO know that the US will be on your side and will provide support. Now's the chance.

See after a couple of fuck you's we're now friends :-)

"1. Warn them

2. Stomp them

3. Ask who wants to be next"

My kind of policy. :)

Lets hope that the next government over here will act be these 3 rules. :)

It's your vote, not mine...

Ah. Don't worry. That will always be MY policy. ;)

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Not really, april. GFY, mo-fo

9/11 planned and executed by the Mossad

You are into science fiction!

Typical Muslim ignorance at it's best.

that was a hate comment

Look who's talking about hate.

The one who said:

"we all know Israel is a state built on racism, with the weird ideology of killing all Arabs to make Ertz Yesrael a pure Jewish land!"

You are one hateful brainwashed towelheaded terrorist....

Do you agree to share your land with Arabs?

if not then this is racism

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we share our land with everyone ..

besides we did not come and kick those who used to live her !?!?

anyways, you are welcome to come and live next to me, you can migrate and leave that conflict.

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Maybe I should go live with my Palestinian brothers

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How did you manage to excape from your Looney Hospital?

(Did Mossad get you out?)

yeah, they assassinated my doctor and below up the hospital as a precaution if there were any Hamas members here

Good answer :)

This debate has been interesting.

I doubt either of us will change the other, but it will not be due to lack of effort from either of us.

I wish you peace and happiness.

Amen

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we all know Israel is a state built on racism, with the weird ideology of killing all Arabs to make Ertz Yesrael a pure Jewish land!

All respect to my Jewish friends, I love them, but as much as I hate terrorists from all nations, be Muslims or Jews, they all should get a life.

People with your level of intellect don't need to be killed. Hopefully, Natural selection will do the trick.

(Try sticking a wire into an electric socket. You will glow in the dark)

well, such trick is implemented on 1000's of prisoners by Israeli racist soldiers

those who are not racists, they knew what to do

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you should get your medication right now

you might pop a vein if you keep straining like that

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Al Qaeda are sick blood thirsty people .. just like the IDF

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You are a dreamer. What does being Russian have to do with it? The only lives Israelis care about are their own and as long as your big brother (USA) is on your side, you've got balls. If we didn't support you, your country would be like Darfur. Always remember that!

If you don't understand what Russia have to do with this, then you clearly know NOTHING about today's politics and events.

Russia is arming Syria and Iran and helps them to develop nuclear weapons.

In the 70's we armed Iraq and in the 80's we armed Iran. How did that turn out. What Russia wants to do is their business not ours. They arm Syria and Iran, we arm Israel. It's time to stop playing the deadly game of who's got the biggest dick.

"In the 70's we armed Iraq and in the 80's we armed Iran" - And today the US acknowledge that it was a huge mistake.

What Russia is doing will eventually backfire at their own people. Hope you'll live to see that day.

Stop being a selfish bastard.

Understand it's not a conflict between Israel and Iran but a conflict between the free world and dark fanatic regimes.

Your problem, not mine. Wish you well, but you know that without our support, the end of Israel would have occurred some time ago. Wrong as that is, it is a fact.

"Your problem, not mine." - Ah. Too bad we all live on Earth. Hey, let's dump all the nuclear waste in Africa. It's gonna be there problem, not mine.

You are selfish and ignorant.

How long will it take until it will be your problem as well?

5 years? 10 years? 50 years? 100 years?

Eventually, they will come for you as well.

Good luck.

Like George W Bush said, "Bring 'em on"!

:-)

Stop crying, grow some short hairs, kick their ass, if you can, and stop complaining.

It's really convenient to type that on your keyboard.

When you, your kids or grandkids end up fighting those who wish to die (and get their 72 virgins or whatever) - then you might be speaking differently.

Why wait for the enemy to be on your doorstep?

Why let them grow stronger?

What if one they they'll have Nukes and decide to launch an attack on the US?

Think about it.

I have a wonderful wife, no kids and no grandkids. I worry about life, not death. The enemy is not on our doorstep, it's on yours....and they're knocking on your door. They won't go away.

True story. I live in South Florida at a big hospital. After 9/11, people were paranoid about biological & nuclear weapon attacks. We were encouraged to get smallpox vaccines, even though it might kill you. A doctor I work with said, and I quote," What do you think the odds of a smallpox virus being released here is? This is not a prime area like Washington, LA, or NY". Got me thinking that if my world comes down to that, do I really want to live afraid? My biggest concern after 9/11 was about suicide bombers that were so prevalent in Israel at that time.

But what about those who kids and grandkids?

Don't you think they care about their future?

About the world they'll be living in?

Why let them suffer when we cant try to prevent this future catastrophe?

Why do you think people are about the environment?

Why are we all worried about the ozone layer and global warming?

You can live the moment, but the future is important as well. If not for your sake, then for the next generations.

Regarding 9/11, I can't really blame people for paranoid. I can only feel sorry sorry for the citizens of New-York at that time. :(

Over here, terrorist attacks are quite frequent, sadly.

Believe me that I care for the US as much as I care for my own country.

I am concerned for all people. I wish that the world were not so violent, but it is. There will always be future catastrophes, whether man-made or natural. All you can do is prepare and react.

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GFY, bitter old man. I do not remember calling you racist. As to call you an asshole, which you are, I plead guilty, asswipe!

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Pussy.

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Do you call Israel a free world? you just want to confiscate the lands of all Arabs to give to some fanatic settlers to claim this land God promised!

even at the cost of children

It is not perfect but it is a lot freer than most Arab countries.

At least they have democratic elections.

Ahhh... the children... yes...

It always about the "children", isn't it?

How many Israeli children the Palestinians have killed?

They even used snipers to shoot babies in the head just to prove how brutal they are.

The land is not theirs to claim and they will NEVER get it by force.

They should simply realize that and migrate to one of the ***46*** Muslims countries.

Why not live in peace in one nation?

why migrate?

of course you don't like that idea because you were deceived by some radical rabbis .. it's ok, give yourself some time, you can get over it ;)

Because it's impossible to live with barbaric people who still believe they live in the dark ages.

Your culture is based on killing and dying.

"radical rabbis" - hahhahahaha.

You're an idiot.

I'm not religious at all.

I'm just someone who sees the hate in people like you and know that peace is only a fiction.

Peace is not possible with those talk about peace but actually dream of the destruction of Israel.

I know what lies you spread over the Internet.

It's not just on this website.

And you dare to talk about peace?

First of all learn the value of speaking the truth.

I am confused now.

you say that our culture is based on killing, but still you deny us the right to live in peace and claim it is only a fiction.

do you think we should be killed?

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lol, yeah unlike some neighboring country using it against civil targets

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You know the answer. So that the US would "win" the war and the Soviet Union would not. Same as in the European theater. The race for Berlin was for occupation of it.

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Amen, brother.

What a load of total codswallop!

Russia had no interest in the Pacific war until it was already all but over.

They pleaded with the Allies for the second front in europe, but never offered a second front in the Pacific (via manchuria etc).

The only reason they joined in at all was that they had already grabbed wheat they could in Europe and saw the chance to steal some islands from Japan.

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Nice one Jon!

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nice answer

You hit the nail on the head...

What is the use of talking to someone barely involved about surrender.

If they were serious, why were they producing millions of bamboo spears so their women and children could join the men in "glorious death".

All the previous campaign up to then showed how much thy thought of surrender. On one island the civilians threw themselves off a cliff, mothers holding children in their arms.

Stick to your dreamworld, it must be so much nicer than reality.

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The main problem with the warriors of the what so called free world is that they consider themselves superior to other nations, they are humans as you are, their lives are as precious as yours.

those who commited suicide knew about the torture and rape crimes the US army used to practice

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These people refusing to accept this remind me of the holocaust denying brigade.

They would rather pretend history was different to how it happened, because it does not fit into their wierd little fantasy world.

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I feel someone who would rather comdem millions of people to death rather tha hundreds of thousands "too stupid for words"

If you want war crimes, just take a look at the record of the Japanese you worship so much!!!

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Yeah, I'm losing just like your beloved Japanese prisoner torturers won!

You have yet to make a single valid point.

You care nothing for the millions of lives that were saved, just so you can whinge along in the same old boring style.

Why is it so hard for you to accept the truth in so many areas? Do you have some sort of mental illness that makes you view everything from an obscure angle.

I do my best to debate logically with you, and not lose my temper (no always sucessfully I admit) but I can easily understand why others find you offensive and are reduced to typing obscenities to you.

Your one track mind if really difficult to reason with on any constructive level.

If your defense (or offence) is just to deny facts, there is little hope for any logic either from you or getting through to you.

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If my intention was to insult you, then be assured it would be a lot more obvious than any words used so far. Those were just observations.

From what I remember Denmarks expereince of WW2 was a 2 hour battle with Germany before surrender and a mild (by the standard of other occupied countries) occupation. You certainly had npo expereince of the japanese attrocities or the grim realities of fighting them, so it is perhaps understandable that your views are slanted the way they are, but understandable or not, they are just just as wrong!

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did you read that wikipedia article?

Denmark?

OK, so I got the flags confused. You guys did a bit better.

holocaust did take place, in Gaza 2009

a true documented fact.

That is a really unworthy comment.

Shame on you.

It is, for the world not to forget what happened over there. Forgive me please. It breaks my heart watching these innocent children losing their limbs and their parents in the same hour.

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I am sorry for existing in your world and standing as an obstacle in your way to your divine right to have a pure Jewish Land!

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I can't drop dead .. you must come and kill me first .. that's the 60 years old scenario

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you are right .. sorry for this irresponsible comment ...

the Holocaust is nothing compared to Gaza.

at least the Nazis did not demolish residences, hospitals and synagogues (20'000 buildings in 22 days)

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you are right

maybe because I am not wearing a towel right now I have to get my brain washed then dry it again with that towel

or should I dry it first?

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Does the name Iraq ring a bell ?

No, the name Quasimodo rings a bell.

maybe in France, but this comment needed that reply

"Bush didn't use any in 8 years and we have those systems perfected."

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Take your propaganda somewhere else

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No less then -> 10 <- youtube videos, in 10 different comments, what relation does a journalist condemned to death got to do with Iran being a threat to the world for shooting up a satellite??

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Might be some minor linguistic problems there.. by "shooting up" i mean launching it up quite obviously

Congratulations on posting 1 relevant comment to the question out of 15.

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Don't let him get to you.

Just keep telling the world what is really happening, other people will listen even if he does not.

"in an objective way"

No you did not.

Yes I did.

The videos speak for themselves.

They're coming straight from the Iranian TV.

He has demonstrated his Ostritch-like nature on many occasions.

He lives in a fantast world where evil people are just "misunderstood".

In an ideal world, idealists would be great, but in a real world, they are dangerous, because they corrupt others with their shor-sighted view.

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His youth is his excuse. What's yours, asshole, bad genes?

To mindlessly bash and trash talk the "evil" side on a online polling site.

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That was for "manic Monday", Mr Fantasy World 2009!

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you claim me to be living in a fantasy world..?

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Do you see the irony in thinking me to be living in a fantasy world when you use Fox News as your source there?

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Oh, and btw, most of the videos came straight from the Iranian TV, not Fox News.

It's funny you chose to attack this particular video just because you hate Fox News.

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As you can see, we I spoke about growing balls earlier, Jonapril has, like his comments, deleted his.

I suppose technically "alternative history" would be closer, if I was to compare your thought with a style of fiction.

Oh but, its the same history just different experiences.

Last terrorist action in your country was done by arab muslims thus you would have a natural hostility towards them.

Last terrorist action done in Norway was done by Israeli mossad agents, follow my line of thought?

Sadly our major terrorist attacks were done by Britsh people, most recently muslim, previously roman catholic.

Well Jon, when you decide to open a can of worms, you really go for the super economy sized can :)))

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160 comments, for the WIN! Go Jonmarc!

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