If someone could prove to you that Jesus Christ did in fact live, and the Bible was true, would you change the way you live?
Submitted 106 days ago by kevinchicode  Favorite
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| No, I still wouldn't believe it, even though it was proven to me, and go to hell for an eternity. | |
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| Yes, I would Change and do things that please God out of a greatful heart for all the things that God has done for me. | |
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Dear Kevin:
You did not actually give any choices here. You don't want to know how people think, but only to force them to agree with you.Badly designed question, completely useless answers. Try again.
This guy never returns to debate??
Something like the 9/11 conspiracy guy. They just want to drop their propaganda and run. Weak, so very weak.
Indeed... where is the choice that says, "If I were shown irrefutable proof I would, in fact, believe the proof, but I wouldn't change the way live."
"Evangelical Training Academy"?
Sounds like a propaganda mill to me.
Come on!
I don't dispute that someone named Jesus lived. Even that parts of the bible are true. Greek and Roman mythology actually make for much better reading though. They are just as likely to be 100% accurate.
Since this would be impossible to "prove," your question is pretty pointless. And we can pretty much point to contradictions in the Bible which "prove" that it is not literally true... so where does that leave you?
The contradictions are the first thing I thought of. At least two of the Gospels are wrong about what Jesus' last words were.
That's just one example.
The story about Jesus wandering in the desert being fed by ravens is wrong, too. They mistranslated the Hebrew word for 'raven' - the word is actually 'Arab.' Tell me THAT doesn't carry a few implications hard-core Christians don't want to hear ... (lol)
Muslims and Christians actually lived peacefully side by side until the crusaders waltzed in and effed things up...(they apparently slaughtered other Christians just as merrily as they slaughtered muslims, too)
I don't see how I could not believe if it was proven to me - So I do not understand the "no" option.
I think it is very likely that there might have been a historical figure named Jesus. There are many Jesuses these days only most get treatment or are not taken so serious...
Proving the bible to me would actually be quite difficult. A book that contradicts itself is hard to prove to begin with. But it was a "what if" question.
Well what i think is interesting is the fact that scientists have continuously proven Christianity wrong, but they still believe.
Perhaps you need to go back to science class. You can't "prove" anything wrong. You can't prove a negative.
No maybe you need to return to science class, you can PROVE things to be wrong, just how science PROVED spontaneous generation to be false. And if you feel as though i need to reword what i said, science suggests that creationism is a falsity.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life#Spontaneous_generation]
Proving something false is the exact opposite of proving a negative. Critical thought means not believing things you are told unless there is evidence to back it up. And without critical thought, logic and science are abandoned, and this is the only kind of productive thought humanity has ever come up with. To reject critical thought is to turn one’s back on thinking and embrace the Dark Ages.
K, great, your statement still doesn't change the facts above.
My point is that you can't "prove" Christianity wrong. Christianity is a religion. A philosophical construct. It's not falsifiable, so there is no scientific argument for or against it. Saying you can "prove" it wrong is pointless.
If i recall, i said creationism, remember "if you feel as though i need to reword what i said, science suggests that creationism is a falsity."
I am talking about the aspect of how they believe the world came to be, not moral thought, duh, not shit, you can't prove an opinion wrong.
I have invisible dragon in my garage. I invite you to create ANY kind of test that can "prove" that I don't. If you can't (and you can't), that does not "prove" that I, in fact, have an invisible dragon in my garage.
Well i'm not a scientist, so why don't you direct that to the scientists at Berkley, if your lucky, they might invite you into a special room that has comfy walls and, best of all you, you get to where a really cool jacket.
It's abundantly clear that you're not a scientist. Thanks for the suggestion, but a scientist wouldn't be stupid enough to assert that she could "prove it wrong" in the first place. Just like she wouldn't assert that she could "prove" Christianity wrong.
I said creationism.
No, you said, "scientists have continuously proven Christianity wrong." I know it's so inconvenient having your words still up there... but you'll just have to deal with it. Open mouth, insert foot.
No, i'm pretty sure i told you i was implying creationism....
Say what you mean and mean what you say. ;o)
This was a very easy to answer poll. What do you think agnostic means, Kevin?
Show me the irrefutable proof, that isn't continually revised by man, at his whim, every time they want to sell more bibles.
Isn't "have faith" the classic line of every con man who has walked the walk and talked the talk since the beginning of time? If you want to sell anyone a phony bill of goods, what's the very first thing you tell them?
You got it! "Have faith!" :-)
I've read the bible a few times cover to cover. The King James and Douay-Rheims versions specifically, but I think I’m forgetting one (I remember it had a bright green cover, but it might have been another KJV). I thought I'd find clarity there, and I definitely did (after all - you can't firmly say you don't believe in something, if you don't truly understand what it is you're not believing in). Ultimately I found it to be an interesting book with plenty of contradictions, some beautiful passages, and a lot of heavy-handed fear-mongering tales. At times the stories were completely ridiculous to me, and I just can’t base my actions around silly or disturbing tales.
Particularly:
- the part where a petty, cranky messiah acts like a prima donna and essentially casts a spell on a fig tree because it didn't produce fruit for him on demand. Damn science getting in the way of instant fruit-bearing. Mark 11:13-14
- the part where Saul wants David to gather 100 foreskins to gain his daughter's hand in marriage. Seriously, what kind of gift is that? That's just disgusting. 1 Kings 18:25-27
- and my personal favorite is the part where Balaam's donkey starts verbally berating its owner for beating it. Talking donkeys are totally cool, and I'd love for someone to prove that one to me (and not Eddie Murphy and DreamWorks). (Numbers 22:28-30)
And as others have pointed out - you can't prove both sides of the many contradictions.
As for Jesus having walked on this planet - I've researched that one, have commented on it before, and am still completely on the fence.
I don't believe in gods, which means I don't believe in hell either so there's no answer for me here. Once you remove that ridiculous fear-based construct from your mind (hell), life's a lot less stressful...and believe it or not, it's quite simple to live a moral life without fearing hot, painful repercussions in an afterlife. My life is now - I don't want to screw it up being an immoral jackass.
* all biblical attributions are according to Douay-Rheims (drbo.org) - my bad for not linking, but this comment is long enough as is. :)
Amen Brother!!!
It's not about proving. You just have to believe in. You can't easily prove everything you want.
Take for example love.
Is love visable? No you can't see love. The consequenses as wel, but not love itself.
Can you hear love? No way!
Smell? Hehe, are you kidding?
The only sense to discover love with, is feel. You can feel love. Feel love from anybody who loves you.
So it's with the christian believe also. We can feel God loves us.
You have to believe in God. When you give him your love, he will give you his!
For sure there is some proof. The location from the Arc of Noah is known, but there is no permission to dig it up.
Thank you for reading!
Why would I believe in something there's no proof of?
And the Epic of Gilgamesh came before Genesis. If anyone's arc has been discovered, it's his.
I can, however, measure hormone and or endocrine levels in the brain.
If someone did manage to prove the bible true somehow (and I accept all your agruments on how unlikely this is) I suspect the first thing I'd is cr@p myself.
The big dude in the Old Testament is a pretty vengefull character - lots of smiting, plagues, burning, flooding, turning to salt etc.
I thought living through the Cold War was bad enough, risking a serious nuking, but at least that would have been over PDQ.
We could be talking eternal damnation here, that's serious stuff folks.
I mean, if he can drown everyone and every animal in the world apart from 8 folks and 2 of each animal, I don't rate my chances too highly.
If kids and babies were fair game because some folks pissed him off, I doubt I'd get spared a second thought!
He probably did live - but that doesn't make him the 'son of God'. He was a VERY influential person
If it were true and provable, I wouldn't have to believe, it would just be fact, and I'd suffer the inevitable consequences, or not - if He really died for my sins. The need for my belief is pointless.