If Obama is disqualified because it turns out he was born in a foreign country should he be criminally prosecuted for fraud?
Submitted 49 days ago by foxbaron
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Only if we prosecute McCain at the same time.
What would you prosecute McCain for?
The law that made him a citizen was passed AFTER his birth--and the Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws.
I have not researched it but if what you say is true then the answer is YES and so should the RNC be prosecuted. The entire election should be thrown out and we should start over.
I believe however that that question was also raised early in the campaign and was answered by McCain and no government entity or Court ruled that he was ineligible. If it is true then the Attorney General has a duty and an obligation to go back and prosecute him and anyone who had knowledge of it.
Either our Constitution means something and is the rule of this Land or it is not. Period.
He was a natural born citizen of the United States of America. That simple. Get over it.
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But can you or he prove it?
Can you prove not?
I don't have to prove anything I didn't run for President, he did.
Yes. It's called a BIRTH CERTIFICATE it was issued by THE STATE OF HAWAII. There were DOCTORS IN ATTENDANCE AT THE BIRTH OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and they SIGNED THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
The STATE OF HAWAII has ISSUED A LEGAL COPY of his BIRTH CERTIFICATE and it was SIGNED and the SEAL WAS AFFIXED. It is a LEGAL DOCUMENT that is ACCEPTABLE IN ANY COURT OF LAW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
So quit being intentionally thick.
Jesus - what is it about you conservatives. Bush said Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. You guys believed him. Then Bush said Hussein WASN'T behind 9/11 - but you still believe he was. You can believe that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 - but a birth certificate issued by the State of Hawaii? "Oh - who'd believe that crap, man ...." No wonder this country is in so much trouble.
Talk about thick, the question addressed the notion that IF he was found to be have been born in a foreign country. IF, IF!
IF IF isnt going to happen cause Obama wasn't--thick!!!!
My answer was in direct response to foxbaron's comment above: "But can you or he prove it?" - not to the question in general.
Regardless, the Constitution DOES prohibit ex post facto laws, and that DOES cast more doubt on his citizenship than on Obama's.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html
I have reviewed the article and if the facts cited are correct than I have to agree that McCain was not qualified either to run for president.
However, prior to prosecuting McCain I think one would have to look at his "intent". The question of his citizenship was publicly raised and he willingly provided documentation on his birth and location of birth and supposedly was judged to legally be able to run for President. If he was not eligible than the Attorney General of the United States should have informed him and requested that he withdraw. In Obama's case we look at intent again and it appears as if he is attempting to hide something whether or not he is. It is the appearance of deception and lack of response on his part that shows a posible "intent" to violate the law.
If McCain was not qualified and Obama turns out not to be qualified then we should have a new election with new candidates running.
Obama's birth certificate was checked by factcheck.org (sponsored by a republican) and found it to be valid. What more do you need? http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
No. Biden would become President automatically under the constitution. It's all mute point now. Omama is a naturalized ciitizen and If McCain isn't, who cares? He lost.
Have youy had your head in the sand for the last year---you just now see this stuff---go away till you get educated.
Can you give some evidence for your statement?
What statement, it was a question.
Then why are you questioning other questions as answers---totally bias question, you don't want the answer, you want your answer..
What?
The question about Obama's place of birth has been brought up many times in here, each time it has been debunked. Each time the questioner had shown bias against Obama, that is why people here expect it is just another one, even if you did not intend it to be so.
The question was not primarily about his place of birth it was about whether or not he should be prosecuted for fraud if it turns out he lied about his birthplace and his qualifications to run for President.
I need to go clean my reading glasses as I thought this question was in regards to our President-elect......
It was, and it was not a difficult question to understand. If he is not qualified, under our Constitution, to be President, did he commit a fraud against the American People?
He is the President-Elect, I will give you that, but is he qualified to be or was he ever legally qaulified to run in the first place. That is the essnece of the question.
After 8 years of pathetic, destructive "governance" by George W. Bush and the idiot Republicans, you have the nerve to persist with this stupid sh!t?
The nerve?
You mean that you do not care if Obama is qualified or not?
I don't mean qualified as in "can he do the job" but qualified as to what our Constitution requires for a person to even run for office let alone be elected.
Does the rule of law only count when it is to your benefit?
Except that the State of Hawaii has certified his birth, which makes this a non-issue. He IS qualified based on the constitutional requirement of being a natural born U.S. citizen.
You are POINT on shield!!!
He was declared as qualified long before the election. Case closed!
ABSOLUTELY---WHERE HAS THIS GUY BEEN????
Evidently the case is not closed as I understand he has to provide documentation to the court by December 2, 2008 before the Electoral College can confirm him.
So why doesn't he immediately answer the court and put it to rest? Then folks can stop wondering and asking. Obama's non-response is what keeps it going.
Because some bozo is persisting in his accusation and it's taking time to get it through court. Obama hasn't responded publicly because it's really a non-issue.
The fact that he hasn't responded publicly is why people are wondering what he has to hide.
However he must repond to the Court. He can ignore the public all he wants, and has, but he can not ignore the Court and it is a public record so his answer will become public sooner or later.
Asking him to publicly respond to this is like asking someone to publicly respond to the question of whether or not his mother was a lesbian. People can make up stupid questions all day long. This is another example. And then saying "the fact that he won't respond is the reason the question is there in the first place" is just a pathetic argument. It's already been answered. It's been answered clearly, calmly and publicly. You just REFUSE to accept the answer.
Is not that I, personally refuse to accept the answer, it is that others have raised the question and it appears that Obama is ducking the question without a resonable explanantion.
"Ducking the question without a reasonable explanation." Are you kidding? He flew to Hawaii, stood in line, filled out the paperwork and paid his $10 for a copy of his birth certificate. He has it. It's valid proof. The guy is a US Citizen. That's it. Final. Argument is over. But crazy people are filing crazy lawsuits for the purpose of personal publicity. And you think we should be giving credence to their craziness? What do you want him to do? Fly to Hawaii again, stand in line again, pay another $10, for what? To have a SECOND copy?
The lawsuit was answered. The guy filed a bunch of new crazy amendments to his original lawsuit. The judge thew it out of court. The judge was satisfied. I've seen photocopies of it on line that showed the raised seal was there. They evaluated the certificate and declared it valid. That's good enough for me. Why do you choose to believe the crazies? Choosing to believe the crazies over the rational people makes YOU look crazy.
Rational folks such as you?
I said it "appears" that he is ducking something.
Until such time as he submits proof to the Court, by December 2nd, than the question remains out there.
I am willing to wait for the Court to make a final ruling and put this all to rest. Why are you not willing to wait?
If you are so confident that his Hawaiian birth certificate is the real deal then what's the big deal?
You evidently are confident that he is qualified under the laws of the Constitution. I, however would prefer to wait until it is finally resolved by the Courts. If it is valid than I can have more confidence in the fact that he was fairly elected as our new President.
I would be just as upset if McCain had been elected and it was later found out that he was ineligible. I would be calling for his resignation and prosecution.