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Wow, instead of replying to a comment lets just moderate it down.
I assumed we were referring to marriage, and if so Homosexual and Heterosexual people DO have the same rights. Can a Heterosexual person marry a person of the same sex, no, and neither can a homosexual person, sounds like they are being treated equally.
is this supposed to be a marriage question? because gay people do have the same rights as anyone else.i don't see any gays to the back of the bus signs or gay only water fountains.when a gay person is a child do they know there gay?When a black man is a child does he know he's black? I don't think the issue is a civil rights one.
wow even the slight of a difference of opinion on what the question means brings insults instead of discussion.Of course i know what people are talking about.And is it ignorance to want to discuss a topic? or is it ignorance to only here what you want to here and try to shout down and insult someone else who may have another opinion.
Sigh. Everyone looks at this from different ways, some for valid reasons, but enough for ugly reasons that everyone gets offended.
If we just took "marriage" out of the legal system, the non-ugly problem would go away. Make civil unions the only secular marriage-equivalent, for everyone, and leave "marriage" to religions. The "separation of church and state" people seem to think exists almost demands this.
Not that this will stop the haters, but it should help separate them from those who actually are just objecting to the word "marriage".
I couldn't agree more. I think that there is a minority group of people against gay marriage that think it will stop gay people from being together. and i think the people for gay marriage believe that's who there entirely up against.but its not the case theirs a large group of people out there that want to keep the traditional definition of marriage between a man and a woman.
Zandl, surely you can see their point when they say they're denied the right to marry whom they choose (at least in CA)? You can counter with "But they CAN marry, just it has to be an opposite gender, like everyone else", and you're right, but they don't see that as "equal", for some really obvious reasons.
Or, you could take the argument that marriage isn't a right, since it's not mentioned in the constitution. The other side of that is "pursuit of happiness" is mentioned... pretty early in there too.
Both the arguments are moot. Marriage shouldn't be secular and religions should, can, and do have their own perfectly legitimate rules on who can marry.
Yes, I can see what you are saying, but there are several groups of people in the USA who are not allowed to marry whom they chose besides homosexuals. There are people who would like to marry children, animals, etc but this is not allowed. I am not saying that homosexual marriage is the same as these other groups, so don't send me hate mail, but you can't say that only homosexuals are not allowed to marry whom they desire.
I do agree with you on the fact that Marriage is not a right enumerated in the constitution. As for the pursuit of happiness, that is a good point and may be a place to argue from.
In the end I agree that the definition of marriage should not be a government issue but a religious one but there are so many government issues tied up in marital status that it muddies the water.
[1 point]3 years ago by zandtReplyEdited 3 years ago by zandt
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[1 point] 3 years ago by deleted user ReplyWhy do you say that?
Because she is a very, very ugly person. Inside and out.
They allready are.
Wow, instead of replying to a comment lets just moderate it down.
I assumed we were referring to marriage, and if so Homosexual and Heterosexual people DO have the same rights. Can a Heterosexual person marry a person of the same sex, no, and neither can a homosexual person, sounds like they are being treated equally.
is this supposed to be a marriage question? because gay people do have the same rights as anyone else.i don't see any gays to the back of the bus signs or gay only water fountains.when a gay person is a child do they know there gay?When a black man is a child does he know he's black? I don't think the issue is a civil rights one.
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[1 point] 3 years ago by deleted user Replywow even the slight of a difference of opinion on what the question means brings insults instead of discussion.Of course i know what people are talking about.And is it ignorance to want to discuss a topic? or is it ignorance to only here what you want to here and try to shout down and insult someone else who may have another opinion.
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[1 point] 3 years ago by deleted user Replydid you even read my last post were i agreed with tanker?or are you still just on the attack?
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[3 points] 3 years ago by deleted user ReplyYes, it's true, gays can marry just like everyone else (in CA), they just have to marry someone of the opposite sex, just like everyone else.
And no, you won't find any gay people who feel that's an equal right at all.
Sigh. Everyone looks at this from different ways, some for valid reasons, but enough for ugly reasons that everyone gets offended.
If we just took "marriage" out of the legal system, the non-ugly problem would go away. Make civil unions the only secular marriage-equivalent, for everyone, and leave "marriage" to religions. The "separation of church and state" people seem to think exists almost demands this.
Not that this will stop the haters, but it should help separate them from those who actually are just objecting to the word "marriage".
I couldn't agree more. I think that there is a minority group of people against gay marriage that think it will stop gay people from being together. and i think the people for gay marriage believe that's who there entirely up against.but its not the case theirs a large group of people out there that want to keep the traditional definition of marriage between a man and a woman.
Can someone please give me one right that homosexual people are denied and everyone else has?
Zandl, surely you can see their point when they say they're denied the right to marry whom they choose (at least in CA)? You can counter with "But they CAN marry, just it has to be an opposite gender, like everyone else", and you're right, but they don't see that as "equal", for some really obvious reasons.
Or, you could take the argument that marriage isn't a right, since it's not mentioned in the constitution. The other side of that is "pursuit of happiness" is mentioned... pretty early in there too.
Both the arguments are moot. Marriage shouldn't be secular and religions should, can, and do have their own perfectly legitimate rules on who can marry.
Yes, I can see what you are saying, but there are several groups of people in the USA who are not allowed to marry whom they chose besides homosexuals. There are people who would like to marry children, animals, etc but this is not allowed. I am not saying that homosexual marriage is the same as these other groups, so don't send me hate mail, but you can't say that only homosexuals are not allowed to marry whom they desire.
I do agree with you on the fact that Marriage is not a right enumerated in the constitution. As for the pursuit of happiness, that is a good point and may be a place to argue from.
In the end I agree that the definition of marriage should not be a government issue but a religious one but there are so many government issues tied up in marital status that it muddies the water.
yes except for maridal rights