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Why is this question brought up well I will tell you why because the President answered a question at a new confrence stupidly. His answer turned this whole incident into a national event by making a comment without knowing the facts. If cooler heads would have prevailed on both side this would have not been in the national spotlight can we all just get along now and move on.
In one breath Americans are complaining that the country is getting too tyrannical and freedom is being lost. In another breath some are happy with a person being handcuffed for DARING answer and yelling at the police.
Go to an airport "screaming and yelling", go to school "screaming and yelling", go to a shopping mall "screaming and yelling", go to a post office "screaming and yelling", go to your town hall "screaming and yelling", go to your state capitol "screaming and yelling", go to Congress "screaming and yelling", go to the White House "screaming and yelling", go to the subway "screaming and yelling", etc. and see what happens, you think it's just the police in public, their workplace? (streets, buildings and homes are included as their workplace)
They were at least called to be their (for a good reason), it is their duty to walk away satisfied ►only◄ after everything is back to "normal", gates ►prevented◄ that from happening by continuing "screaming and yelling"!
[2 points]3 years ago by ncattReplyEdited 3 years ago by ncatt
He would get the attention of the "libs" if he came up with some decent arguments why he is right. Cops are humans just like professors, that gives neither the right to bully, but the cop is a professional and should have walked away. That does not make Gates right and Crowley wrong. It just means that Crowley did not diffuse the situation like a good cop should. Just because there are racist cops out there, that does not mean that Gates was right in his approach either.
I can almost guarantee: ►If gates had just explained the situation, everything would have ended fine. ►If gates had not followed the cop out and proceeded to pursue the racist language in front of neighbors (& other cops) watching with concern, everything would have ended fine. ►If gates had not tries to incite the crowd. ►If gates had respected the cops "responsibility" to have "control" of the scene. ►If gates had respected the cops authority and showed a little "simple respect". ►If gates had shown some simple restraint of his agenda everything would have ended fine. Doing stupid things, will usually end with unwanted consequences.
Next time you have a problem with the boss try ►"screaming and yelling"◄ at him or her, see what happens!
[2 points]3 years ago by ncattReplyEdited 3 years ago by ncatt
I read the police report, is there any bystander that confirmed the racist language that Gates allegedly used? According to Gates he couldn't yell because of a lung infection and apparently he has a doctors report to back that claim up.
Arresting Gates was just stupid, even if he did the things Crowley said he did is true. People are not required by law to be polite, although I do think it would be a better world if we all were.
I tell you what is the most interesting thing to me. That an educated professor, and one that is supposedly an expert on racial relations, was the first one to play the race card (by his own admission). He started the whole racial issue when race had nothing to do with the whole incident. He was arrested for being belligerent not for being black. That being said, since I wasn't there, I cant say that the arrest was truly justified or not, I think it came down to a power play on both of their parts and Gates lost round one and won round two.
Good point...but all of the places you mentioned are public places. He was in his own home. He has a right to do whatever he wants to in his own home. How would you feel if someone questioned your actions (being that they are not life threatening) in your own home?
You shoot at people walking down the street from inside your house, your on private property, in your own home, the police "HAVE" the right to enter and arrest or kill you.
Someone breaks into your home while your on vacation, the police don't wait until you come back from Europe to arrest the crooks, the police have the right to enter it and arrest the burglars now.
If you break into your own home, the police have the right to hold you until you can prove you're the "real" home owner and not the burglar, if you cause other problems before they leave they can still arrest you for the other reasons. This was our professional professor gates problem!
The cops "work area" is both public and private property. Just because you cross a boundary doesn't always mean you can "get away with it".
Gates was too quick to cry racial profiling. If the police came to my house because I was trying to break in upon forgetting my key, I would thank them for their efforts. Why do blacks think everything is related to being black? Too bad it wasn't a black officer. The police were actually trying to protect Gate's property if he would step back and think about it.
Gates automatically assumed it was about race when Crowley asked him to step outside. He feels he was threatened inside his own home, he has heard other stories where police harassed innocent people, so his reaction is wrong, but not unsurprising.
Racism is still a big issue with minorities. No one thinks of themselves as bad, so when something happens to them it must be for other reasons.
Racism is still alive by a lot of people of all races. People in majorities think about being discriminated against more often then those who are not in minorities think about how race influences their words or actions that might be seen as racist.
The Police had to investigate the 911 call and did the right thing, including following Gates into his home. When they had established that Gates was the lawful resident of the home, they should have left. Gates would have been the bad guy. Arresting him (and later dropping the charges) was stupid even when Gates was behaving stupid himself, he was no threat to any one.
The police can ►NOT◄ leave the scene when someone is still screaming at them or anyone else. If the ►"nutty professor"◄ decides to go wacko and gets a gun or club or just fists and starts beating on the neighbor or some other person, the cops would have been blamed for not doing something to have prevented it.
They can't leave until the scene is secure and if gates is the "nut case" disturbing the peace then the cops have a ►responsibility◄ to shut him up, not being able to punch his lights out, he did the right thing by cuffing him.
Sorry but some idiots will complain when they do nothing and then complain when they do something. You can't have it both ways and have any ►legitimate◄ complaint, Sgt. Crowley had to make a choice, wait for the nutty professor to finally finish balling him out while the other cops and neighbors watched stunned or end it with gates in the clinker.
He couldn't leave with gates on the warpath!!!!!!!!!
I wasn't there so I can't say. But based on what I’ve seen reported Gates antagonized the situation and made it worse.
If a cop came up to me on my property and said "we've had a report of someone suspicious in the area trying to break in", (which has happened to me when I broken into my house after locking myself out!) I'm going to provide ID and proof that I live there. I’m also going to be glad the cop is there asking me for my ID as it means the cop could have been stopping someone from burglarizing my house. And obviously showing the cop my work badge, which doesn’t have my address on it and can easily be fake, isn’t going to cut it and I would understand him wanting to see a government issued ID.
Gates could have resolved it peaceably when he realized why the police were called. He could have cooperated and been compliant with all requests. He brought about the so called "racial" incident. He wanted it to be about race to go along with his theory that it is always about race. He sure made it so, and Obama piled on, being the good community organized that he is. He was not acting presidential when he called the cambridge police stupid, or acting stupidly. Unfortunately, Gates and Obama were the ones behaving stupidly.
It's unfortune on a larger scale (ie: black americans) only if both whites and blacks look to either Gates or Obama as racial beacons. Somehow, I sense that single-source "authorities" on racial relations do not have the potency as say 10-30 years ago. What say you?
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No...the police should have left once they verified that he was the occupant of that particular residence.
Why is this question brought up well I will tell you why because the President answered a question at a new confrence stupidly. His answer turned this whole incident into a national event by making a comment without knowing the facts. If cooler heads would have prevailed on both side this would have not been in the national spotlight can we all just get along now and move on.
In one breath Americans are complaining that the country is getting too tyrannical and freedom is being lost. In another breath some are happy with a person being handcuffed for DARING answer and yelling at the police.
Go to an airport "screaming and yelling", go to school "screaming and yelling", go to a shopping mall "screaming and yelling", go to a post office "screaming and yelling", go to your town hall "screaming and yelling", go to your state capitol "screaming and yelling", go to Congress "screaming and yelling", go to the White House "screaming and yelling", go to the subway "screaming and yelling", etc. and see what happens, you think it's just the police in public, their workplace? (streets, buildings and homes are included as their workplace)
They were at least called to be their (for a good reason), it is their duty to walk away satisfied ►only◄ after everything is back to "normal", gates ►prevented◄ that from happening by continuing "screaming and yelling"!
spot on!!!!
Are you done yelling and screaming, or should we send for officer Crowley? :P
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[0 points] 3 years ago by deleted user ReplyHe would get the attention of the "libs" if he came up with some decent arguments why he is right. Cops are humans just like professors, that gives neither the right to bully, but the cop is a professional and should have walked away. That does not make Gates right and Crowley wrong. It just means that Crowley did not diffuse the situation like a good cop should. Just because there are racist cops out there, that does not mean that Gates was right in his approach either.
I can almost guarantee: ►If gates had just explained the situation, everything would have ended fine. ►If gates had not followed the cop out and proceeded to pursue the racist language in front of neighbors (& other cops) watching with concern, everything would have ended fine. ►If gates had not tries to incite the crowd. ►If gates had respected the cops "responsibility" to have "control" of the scene. ►If gates had respected the cops authority and showed a little "simple respect". ►If gates had shown some simple restraint of his agenda everything would have ended fine. Doing stupid things, will usually end with unwanted consequences.
Next time you have a problem with the boss try ►"screaming and yelling"◄ at him or her, see what happens!
I read the police report, is there any bystander that confirmed the racist language that Gates allegedly used? According to Gates he couldn't yell because of a lung infection and apparently he has a doctors report to back that claim up.
Arresting Gates was just stupid, even if he did the things Crowley said he did is true. People are not required by law to be polite, although I do think it would be a better world if we all were.
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Are you saying gates, being a professor is "NOT" a professional? Trained to teach, young and less mature adults?
Professors are also "racist"!
I tell you what is the most interesting thing to me. That an educated professor, and one that is supposedly an expert on racial relations, was the first one to play the race card (by his own admission). He started the whole racial issue when race had nothing to do with the whole incident. He was arrested for being belligerent not for being black. That being said, since I wasn't there, I cant say that the arrest was truly justified or not, I think it came down to a power play on both of their parts and Gates lost round one and won round two.
Good point...but all of the places you mentioned are public places. He was in his own home. He has a right to do whatever he wants to in his own home. How would you feel if someone questioned your actions (being that they are not life threatening) in your own home?
You shoot at people walking down the street from inside your house, your on private property, in your own home, the police "HAVE" the right to enter and arrest or kill you.
Someone breaks into your home while your on vacation, the police don't wait until you come back from Europe to arrest the crooks, the police have the right to enter it and arrest the burglars now.
If you break into your own home, the police have the right to hold you until you can prove you're the "real" home owner and not the burglar, if you cause other problems before they leave they can still arrest you for the other reasons. This was our professional professor gates problem!
The cops "work area" is both public and private property. Just because you cross a boundary doesn't always mean you can "get away with it".
P.S. gates was "NOT" in his own home, he followed the cop outside his house!
A few more, stand in front of your window "naked", the police can enter and arrest you for indecent exposure. (a good thing!)
Try burning down your own house you can be arrested for doing so.
Try raising pigs and cows (on your own property) in a residential area.
Your "car" is also private property? Try sitting behind the wheel, with the engine running, drinking a "obama beer" in front of the police dept.
Not life threatening but all still a violation, do you really need more?
How can I possibly know? I wasn't there.
The phone call to the police didn't sound genuine to me.
Did they get her name, address and phone number to check her out.
It was his neighbor that called. Your address automatically comes up when dialing 911.
Gates was too quick to cry racial profiling. If the police came to my house because I was trying to break in upon forgetting my key, I would thank them for their efforts. Why do blacks think everything is related to being black? Too bad it wasn't a black officer. The police were actually trying to protect Gate's property if he would step back and think about it.
Gates automatically assumed it was about race when Crowley asked him to step outside. He feels he was threatened inside his own home, he has heard other stories where police harassed innocent people, so his reaction is wrong, but not unsurprising.
Racism is still a big issue with minorities. No one thinks of themselves as bad, so when something happens to them it must be for other reasons.
Racism is still alive by a lot of people of all races. People in majorities think about being discriminated against more often then those who are not in minorities think about how race influences their words or actions that might be seen as racist.
The Police had to investigate the 911 call and did the right thing, including following Gates into his home. When they had established that Gates was the lawful resident of the home, they should have left. Gates would have been the bad guy. Arresting him (and later dropping the charges) was stupid even when Gates was behaving stupid himself, he was no threat to any one.
The police can ►NOT◄ leave the scene when someone is still screaming at them or anyone else. If the ►"nutty professor"◄ decides to go wacko and gets a gun or club or just fists and starts beating on the neighbor or some other person, the cops would have been blamed for not doing something to have prevented it.
They can't leave until the scene is secure and if gates is the "nut case" disturbing the peace then the cops have a ►responsibility◄ to shut him up, not being able to punch his lights out, he did the right thing by cuffing him.
Sorry but some idiots will complain when they do nothing and then complain when they do something. You can't have it both ways and have any ►legitimate◄ complaint, Sgt. Crowley had to make a choice, wait for the nutty professor to finally finish balling him out while the other cops and neighbors watched stunned or end it with gates in the clinker.
He couldn't leave with gates on the warpath!!!!!!!!!
I wasn't there so I can't say. But based on what I’ve seen reported Gates antagonized the situation and made it worse.
If a cop came up to me on my property and said "we've had a report of someone suspicious in the area trying to break in", (which has happened to me when I broken into my house after locking myself out!) I'm going to provide ID and proof that I live there. I’m also going to be glad the cop is there asking me for my ID as it means the cop could have been stopping someone from burglarizing my house. And obviously showing the cop my work badge, which doesn’t have my address on it and can easily be fake, isn’t going to cut it and I would understand him wanting to see a government issued ID.
Gates could have resolved it peaceably when he realized why the police were called. He could have cooperated and been compliant with all requests. He brought about the so called "racial" incident. He wanted it to be about race to go along with his theory that it is always about race. He sure made it so, and Obama piled on, being the good community organized that he is. He was not acting presidential when he called the cambridge police stupid, or acting stupidly. Unfortunately, Gates and Obama were the ones behaving stupidly.
It's unfortune on a larger scale (ie: black americans) only if both whites and blacks look to either Gates or Obama as racial beacons. Somehow, I sense that single-source "authorities" on racial relations do not have the potency as say 10-30 years ago. What say you?