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what on earth would make me take part in those antiquated rituals that look more like brainwashing sessions then religious ceremonies.
I kinda believe in the Islamic thing, that you should pray to God when ever you feel comfortable, where ever you feel comfortable and directly to God, and not to another saint or idol or anything, as God is more likely to answer your prayers.
That is the Christian way. Islamic religion says you should pray so many times a day, requires prayer rugs and that you pray toward Mecca. However, Praying to God can be done anywhere at anytime. In any voice. He is always there no matter where you are. He promises to never leave us or forget us.
that is a common misconception. Islamic religion in it's original does not say they should pray any number of times per day, that was introduced later by priests. And it doesn't state they should pray towards Mecca. That's just a custom as well.
Did you know that they first prayed towards Jerusalem?
However despite this most of them follow these customs. There are however Muslims who do not.
[2 points]3 years ago by UnnuReplyEdited 3 years ago by Unnu
That is because Jerusalem was taken over by the islamic nation. The dome of the rock is built on Herod's temple there is great fricion between the Jewish and Muslims in that city.
Alla was originally the "moon god". That is why there is a moon incorporated into the islamic religion.
Um...no. Jehovah means "self existent" or "eternal." Hebrew entry # 3068 in The new Strong's dictionary of Hebrew and Greek words. 1996, Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
lol - key word is "new." Politically influenced. If you can't argue the logic - feel free to change the "absolute, unadulterated, literal word of God."* Same as changing #6 from "kill" to "murder."
I have looked at several references to study the name Jehovah. I have not found any that refer to Jehovah as meaning "God of the desert. I seems it comes from the word Yehweh, which is translated "the Lord". In Exodus 3:14 God tells Moses to tell the people "I AM" has sent me to you.
An old Rabbi told me. He was a Conservative Jew. I took him at his word because I don't think he was lying. I, quite honestly, don't think it's talked about much because the true meaning of God's name leads to some pretty explosive implications, doesn't it?
You say it is these things are just customs, but isn't praying five times a day in a certain position one of your fundamental religious duties. One of the Pillars of your religion?
but most Christian have forgotten these basics and chose to pray to saints such as Mary, or are use to praying towards the east. All people here do that. Even the churches are built with the altar towards the east thou it is not specified anywhere in the bible. It's just a custom. Just like some pray before the go to bed. that's just a custom as well.
[1 point]3 years ago by UnnuReplyEdited 3 years ago by Unnu
I'm not very familiar with orthodox Christians. However, there are some sects of Christianity that are more ritualistic than others. However, it is not rituals that make the difference, it is knowing God personally. Believing in him and accepting him as God in our lives.
you see our religion is not that different from Islam if you take them both in their original form. The only difference are customs set over thousands of years that made them so different now.
There are many differences. The biggest difference is forgiveness of sins. In islam there is no forgiveness, only a hope that you do enough good to make it to heaven. In Christianity, God's son, Jesus sacrificed his life so that we may have the promise of heaven if we believe. It doesn't matter what you have done wrong in your life. There is forgiveness and the promise of heaven. If you have done wrong all your life and on your death bed ask God for forgiveness and believe in him you don't need to do anything else. Christianity is not a religion of works. Islam is.
true. but Muslims believe their holy book is the final revelation of God, however they do not dismiss the Bible nor the Torah. here's where it gets confusing to me. cause some of the texts contradict each other...
also texts within the Qur'an contradict each other it's very confusing.
But I think the Islamic philosophy on haven is more plausible. If you think of the universe as energy, then it's more plausible that people whom have a higher positive energy output would attract more energy of that kind. We know that the universe is constructed on the same blocks, and energy transform to mater when it gains mass. And every day we exchange energy with the environment through emotion. and those of us who have a better understanding of the universe (on a emotional level) are more likely to be better off in the next life, if there is such a thing. would not you agree.
Actually I think that's consistent with the Christian forgiveness algorithm as well
[2 points]3 years ago by UnnuReplyEdited 3 years ago by Unnu
Then I am confused. You say they do not dismiss the Bible, nor the Torah. However, then why is it punishable by death in islamic nations if one is found studying or having possession of the Christian Bible or Torah?
Actually the Douay-Rheims Bible is a very accurate translation of both the Hebrew and Greek texts. The "problem" from a non-Catholic perspective is the notes that teach Catholic traditions that are contrary to the text of Scripture.
Accurate according to whom? Those who paid for the translations? Yeah, right. Your version is the correct one. That's what they ALWAYS say.
Quit trying to hit me with your cross. I know it's your favorite weapon. But what you're actually doing is taking the Lord's Name in Vain. I think that's a commandment. Well, I dunno. They might have changed it with the latest publication.
It is too bad that they do not understand that God's son Jesus gave his life as the ultimate sacrifice. Not as a blood sacrifice as to appease a God. But, because God loves us so very much that he gave his son so that we might through his sacrifice live.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
However, we "serve a living saviour".
1 Corinthians 15:20 ...But Christ indeed has been raised from the dead.
we are all sons and daughters of God that's what people don't understand. Jesus never said he's the only son of God. People assumed that. But if it's one thing Jesus thought us it was that through faith and love we can achieve everything. I think this is the way in which he saved mankind.
Yes, we are all God's children, however, Jesus came as the son of God. In the Bible Jesus is speaking to Martha ,John 11:25-26 Jesus says "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" Yes Lord," she told him. "I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world."
This is not to say there are two Gods.
John 1:1 and 14 says, In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning....The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory. The glory of the one and only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 9:28 tells us "..so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people..." Hebrews 10:11-12,18 Day after day evry priest stands and performs his religious duties...which can never take away sins. But when this priest (Christ Jesus) had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin.
I hope this helps you understand Jesus better. I am sorry this email is so long. There is so much in the Bible to share. If you are encouraged to read the Bible and will, try reading the book of Luke and 1 John.
Today I read that in the Iranian Parliment has installed the death penalty for anyone converting faith other than Islam. Already two Christian converts have been given this death penalty. Yet, Islamist say they accept the Bible and the Torah. This is why I find what you say confusing.
It's not that confusing. People have altered religion for political reasons for thousands of years. Take the inquisition for example. And Islam is so easy to change doe to the fact that it's basis, the Qur'an is so confusing itself. On one hand it promotes peace and understanding, and on the other hand it promotes merciless.
Example of "on your deathbed" = one of the two thieves on the crosses with Jesus at His crucifixion. Based on the thief's confession of faith, Jesus said, "Today you will be with me in paradise." Not the sexually perverted idea of Islamic paradise, but the spiritual abode of God.
Yes, I am a Christian and I go to church every week. It helps me through the week. I realize that with God I can do all things. He is always with me. Sometimes I forget through the week that I have a friend who will never leave me. Going to church reminds me that there is one greater than me who loves me. In church I am reminded of those who have gone through tough times and have come through with joy.
Yes, but not to gain righteousness, nor to have sins removed, nor to worship some dead god or idol, nor to please a pastor or priest, but to worship in community with others who also believe and submit themselves to the true and living God.
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Not weekly, monthly or yearly. But I do visit old churches, which I love, sometimes.
what on earth would make me take part in those antiquated rituals that look more like brainwashing sessions then religious ceremonies.
I kinda believe in the Islamic thing, that you should pray to God when ever you feel comfortable, where ever you feel comfortable and directly to God, and not to another saint or idol or anything, as God is more likely to answer your prayers.
That is the Christian way. Islamic religion says you should pray so many times a day, requires prayer rugs and that you pray toward Mecca. However, Praying to God can be done anywhere at anytime. In any voice. He is always there no matter where you are. He promises to never leave us or forget us.
that is a common misconception. Islamic religion in it's original does not say they should pray any number of times per day, that was introduced later by priests. And it doesn't state they should pray towards Mecca. That's just a custom as well.
Did you know that they first prayed towards Jerusalem?
However despite this most of them follow these customs. There are however Muslims who do not.
That is because Jerusalem was taken over by the islamic nation. The dome of the rock is built on Herod's temple there is great fricion between the Jewish and Muslims in that city.
Alla was originally the "moon god". That is why there is a moon incorporated into the islamic religion.
And Jehovah means "God of the desert."
Um...no. Jehovah means "self existent" or "eternal." Hebrew entry # 3068 in The new Strong's dictionary of Hebrew and Greek words. 1996, Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
lol - key word is "new." Politically influenced. If you can't argue the logic - feel free to change the "absolute, unadulterated, literal word of God."* Same as changing #6 from "kill" to "murder."
http://www.therockradio.org/bcs/images/Ten%20commandments.gif
*Jerry Falwell's definition of the King James bible, written in 1611.
I have looked at several references to study the name Jehovah. I have not found any that refer to Jehovah as meaning "God of the desert. I seems it comes from the word Yehweh, which is translated "the Lord". In Exodus 3:14 God tells Moses to tell the people "I AM" has sent me to you.
An old Rabbi told me. He was a Conservative Jew. I took him at his word because I don't think he was lying. I, quite honestly, don't think it's talked about much because the true meaning of God's name leads to some pretty explosive implications, doesn't it?
You say it is these things are just customs, but isn't praying five times a day in a certain position one of your fundamental religious duties. One of the Pillars of your religion?
but most Christian have forgotten these basics and chose to pray to saints such as Mary, or are use to praying towards the east. All people here do that. Even the churches are built with the altar towards the east thou it is not specified anywhere in the bible. It's just a custom. Just like some pray before the go to bed. that's just a custom as well.
You are mixing Christianity with catholasism. There is a difference in the two religions.
forgive me. Orthodox Christians do the same, and I never met enough people from another sects to tell the difference.
I'm not very familiar with orthodox Christians. However, there are some sects of Christianity that are more ritualistic than others. However, it is not rituals that make the difference, it is knowing God personally. Believing in him and accepting him as God in our lives.
And tithing. Don't forget the tithing.
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Oops - your ignorance is showing.
What? You've never given money to the church? You've never had one pass the collection plate? You've never stuck in some money?
Who's kidding whom here? I know you're kidding yourself. But I'll settle for you simply showing your ignorance.
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[1 point] 3 years ago by deleted user ReplyHmmm. That would explain why he doesn't view it as 'tithing' - it's simply payin' da preecher!
you see our religion is not that different from Islam if you take them both in their original form. The only difference are customs set over thousands of years that made them so different now.
There are many differences. The biggest difference is forgiveness of sins. In islam there is no forgiveness, only a hope that you do enough good to make it to heaven. In Christianity, God's son, Jesus sacrificed his life so that we may have the promise of heaven if we believe. It doesn't matter what you have done wrong in your life. There is forgiveness and the promise of heaven. If you have done wrong all your life and on your death bed ask God for forgiveness and believe in him you don't need to do anything else. Christianity is not a religion of works. Islam is.
true. but Muslims believe their holy book is the final revelation of God, however they do not dismiss the Bible nor the Torah. here's where it gets confusing to me. cause some of the texts contradict each other...
also texts within the Qur'an contradict each other it's very confusing.
But I think the Islamic philosophy on haven is more plausible. If you think of the universe as energy, then it's more plausible that people whom have a higher positive energy output would attract more energy of that kind. We know that the universe is constructed on the same blocks, and energy transform to mater when it gains mass. And every day we exchange energy with the environment through emotion. and those of us who have a better understanding of the universe (on a emotional level) are more likely to be better off in the next life, if there is such a thing. would not you agree.
Actually I think that's consistent with the Christian forgiveness algorithm as well
Then I am confused. You say they do not dismiss the Bible, nor the Torah. However, then why is it punishable by death in islamic nations if one is found studying or having possession of the Christian Bible or Torah?
For the same reasons Protestants spit on the Catholic bible.
Actually the Douay-Rheims Bible is a very accurate translation of both the Hebrew and Greek texts. The "problem" from a non-Catholic perspective is the notes that teach Catholic traditions that are contrary to the text of Scripture.
Accurate according to whom? Those who paid for the translations? Yeah, right. Your version is the correct one. That's what they ALWAYS say.
Quit trying to hit me with your cross. I know it's your favorite weapon. But what you're actually doing is taking the Lord's Name in Vain. I think that's a commandment. Well, I dunno. They might have changed it with the latest publication.
I'm not sure that was there in the first place...
however what I do know for a fact is that the Qur'an does reference texts from the Bible and the Torah
But, the only way that a in Islam you can be sure of heaven is if you committ suicide. For Christians believing is the way to heaven.
John 6:47 "Truly, truly I say unto you, he who believes has eternal life.
that is untrue. I know for a fact that a verse form the Qur'an specifically tells them to not hurt themselves or others.
The suicide thing is just an extremist interpretation used to brainwash people of whom many aren't even islamists in the first place
It is too bad that they do not understand that God's son Jesus gave his life as the ultimate sacrifice. Not as a blood sacrifice as to appease a God. But, because God loves us so very much that he gave his son so that we might through his sacrifice live.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
However, we "serve a living saviour".
1 Corinthians 15:20 ...But Christ indeed has been raised from the dead.
we are all sons and daughters of God that's what people don't understand. Jesus never said he's the only son of God. People assumed that. But if it's one thing Jesus thought us it was that through faith and love we can achieve everything. I think this is the way in which he saved mankind.
Yes, we are all God's children, however, Jesus came as the son of God. In the Bible Jesus is speaking to Martha ,John 11:25-26 Jesus says "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" Yes Lord," she told him. "I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world."
This is not to say there are two Gods.
John 1:1 and 14 says, In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning....The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory. The glory of the one and only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 9:28 tells us "..so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people..." Hebrews 10:11-12,18 Day after day evry priest stands and performs his religious duties...which can never take away sins. But when this priest (Christ Jesus) had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin.
I hope this helps you understand Jesus better. I am sorry this email is so long. There is so much in the Bible to share. If you are encouraged to read the Bible and will, try reading the book of Luke and 1 John.
Have a wonderful day.
Today I read that in the Iranian Parliment has installed the death penalty for anyone converting faith other than Islam. Already two Christian converts have been given this death penalty. Yet, Islamist say they accept the Bible and the Torah. This is why I find what you say confusing.
It's not that confusing. People have altered religion for political reasons for thousands of years. Take the inquisition for example. And Islam is so easy to change doe to the fact that it's basis, the Qur'an is so confusing itself. On one hand it promotes peace and understanding, and on the other hand it promotes merciless.
Example of "on your deathbed" = one of the two thieves on the crosses with Jesus at His crucifixion. Based on the thief's confession of faith, Jesus said, "Today you will be with me in paradise." Not the sexually perverted idea of Islamic paradise, but the spiritual abode of God.
Yes, I am a Christian and I go to church every week. It helps me through the week. I realize that with God I can do all things. He is always with me. Sometimes I forget through the week that I have a friend who will never leave me. Going to church reminds me that there is one greater than me who loves me. In church I am reminded of those who have gone through tough times and have come through with joy.
Nope, maybe once a year. Weddings and funerals, and I beg off of the ones I can (the people I'm not overly close to).
Yes, but not to gain righteousness, nor to have sins removed, nor to worship some dead god or idol, nor to please a pastor or priest, but to worship in community with others who also believe and submit themselves to the true and living God.