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All of the above - very much like 30 years ago.
yeah, I agree. Too bad that a generation is wasted.(some are good tho)
People need jobs so that they can provide for their families. When good "middle-class jobs" leave and are replaced by low-end service jobs, then parents have to get two or three jobs to make ends meet. When that happens, parental guidance suffers.
Add to this the destruction of the support systems - community centers, after school programs, health care, vibrant neighborhoods, etc. - and you've got crime bursting at the seams.
Living in a society that is too large by many orders of magnitude than the size groups we are evolved to function in.
A very good point! Nevertheless our current society, although superficially larger than such ideal groups, is still composed of manageable groupings. We don't have to look too far through history for our likeness. This has been going on for all history
But it is NOT composed of groups where every individual is known to every other individual. Nor do the members of one group know and have kinship ties to the members of the neighboring groups.Most people don't even know their neighbors in the US, and I suppose it is not all that different in Great Britain, especially the cities.
Crime seems to come, in a large if not major part, from the ability to treat the victim as 'other'--v. hard to do if you are distant cross-cousins, or otherwise known and related.
True. I suppose my answer catered for an ideal world. I don't speak to my neighbours much. Crime is often committed at local level. Our sub-groupings are more general and sometimes go beyond state boundaries. Although my friendships go more to the north of my city. We have a great interest in crime in our area. Just not local enough I imagine.
I guess my real point is that efforts to resolve crime never seem to take into account the biology of the species. We are wired up so that we tend to treat those we know better than those we don't, to the point that those we don't know can become non-human by our lack of knowledge. If we truly want to do something abut crime, then we need to at least consider our evolutionary heritage insofar as it affects group behavior. If we want to see the majority of people conform to a specific standard of ethics (and there does seem to be a species-wide standard, which is why Christ and Buddha and Mohammed and Baha'ullah et al all pretty much agree on what is good behaviour), then we need to look at how to accomplish it in light of how our species of animal lives.
Never mind the religious stuff. I am a religious man. We don't need these ideas to tell us what to do. Morality is largely built in.
Exactly. Morality is based on the biologically-based behavioural rules dictated by the fact that we are a group-living species, as opposed to a solitary (think tigers-come together to mate and then leave) living species.
Bilogically speaking, the rules do not apply to those not of the group, so it OK to treat them as you will. The trick is to get people to recognize all humans, instead of just their relatives and familiars, as members of the group--not an attitude we are evolved for. There are specific behaviours evolved that flat contradict that idea.
Thank the Gods for that! You are right. Most of the time we don't bother to consider our moral compass. Such a thing is largely founded in our close relationships. To hurt anybody we often dehumanise them before the hammer falls. That is, we pretend that they are not as we are. Therefore the tribe is not damaged when we inflict pain. To be truly moral and intelligent we must cast our minds further than our limited tribes.
When both parents are working to keep the families heads above water, no one is home to take care of the kid and to instill the right standards. That's when the outside influences take over.
More and more couples are choosing to not have kids. or they wait until they are older.
No that is B/s... You now who the kids that are the fuck-ups are.... The ones who have the parents that spoil the shit out of their kids, and let them get away and get whatever they want when they were kids...
Paris Hilton is the idol girl who fits that role.....
That too. Paris Hilton just knows how to market herself and uses it to the MAX. She is no dummy.
Well you need to classify what crime you are talking about....
If your talking about "Drugs" and Alcohol, well they do it because it is fun... And the peer pressure thing is b/s. No teenager now-a-days gives a fuck if someone doesn't want to drink or smoke weed or whatever.... there is no peer pressure, like the stereotypical "your lame for not drinking", if someone doesn't want to drink, it is more of "Ok more for me then".... Sometimes i'm not in the mood to drink, so hell, more for my friends, they don't give a fuck if i don't want to drink....
And if your talking about shoplifting, it is because you want stuff that you can't buy, or your just cheap and don't want to pay for it, or if you only have enough money for "product A" OR "product B" but you won't both, you steal one and buy the other... That is personal choose.... and most teenagers once again don't give-a-fuck if their friends steal or not... that is their choose... you have people in your class and friends that do and some that don't.
and those are they only common teenage crimes...
If you find these things wrong, then blame the parents for not giving a moral structure against this to their kids, but it is also the teenagers choose to do this too....
Don't blame media, aren't we always arguing that "we are desensitized to media".... Blaming media is just a scapegoat to try and blame something other then parents and their kids...
And like i said, peer pressure is just another cliché to try and blame others... I don't now about other teenage generations, maybe peer pressure was a problem then, but now-a-days teenagers don't give a fuck if drink or not. The only peer pressure i see in High School is the kids who think drugs and alcohol are BAD, like the goodie-goodie Christian kids who get all pissed at their friends if they even hangout with someone who drinks, they are the peer pressures....
So basically what you say is that no one is to blame but the kid himself. You have a "who gives a shit" attitude and let the chips fall where they may.????
Well don't blame the dog for the mud in the house when it has been tied up out side all day... I am saying blame the kid for doing it and blame the parent for not giving their children a moral structure....
And i am saying that "peer pressure" and "the media" are just scapegoats for parents to find something else to blame other then themselves.... "peer pressure" is not this crisis parents try to make out to be, no teenager cares if one does or doesn't want to do something, their chose not mine....
Do u think the law should be harder on the kid because he is under 18, than it is now, as a deterrant. Or do u think they should come down harder on the parent??
The kids should get in trouble for shoplifting... and if a teen murders someone, they know that is wrong, just as a 20-year-old, 30-year-old, or 40 year-old.... and should get charged as an adult... California has had that for a while know...
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[0 points] 1 year ago by deleted user ReplyToo much leisure, not enough jobs, and totally stupid drug and sex laws.