Captain Planet, aka Al Gore, warned this week the interior of the earth is several million degrees! He is such a buffoon.
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There isn't any, for example Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the 'trick' is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term "trick" to refer to a "a good way to deal with a problem", rather than something that is "secret", and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the 'decline', it is well known that Keith Briffa's maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the "divergence problem"-see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while 'hiding' is probably a poor choice of words (since it is 'hidden' in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.
Desparate special pleading. "Trick" does not mean "trick", "hide" does not mean "hide". Alice said "A Word means just what I want it to mean, no more and no less". Hpeters adds to this "I may change the meaning of words as often as I like. Decline means increase if it suits me. OK?"
[1 point]2 years ago by peterfReplyEdited 2 years ago by peterf
Most honest question I was ever asked by any of the consultants I hired during my "productive" days: "And what message would you like all of my investigation to tell us?"
There was no proof of a scam, just email discussions taken out of context to make the researchers look bad. Few people write emails to be read by the public; these were not meant for public consumption. Science is a bit like sausage.
Well, I think Al was ready to discuss both solar and geothermal energy, and just go the sun and earth transposed in his mind for a moment. Big deal. The sun's temps are millions, the earth's on the order of 10,000F.
I see that anti-warmist comments have been 'marked down'. Typical of the warmist doctrine that all opinions that do not coincide with theirs must be supressed.
So if I'm not convinced by your paranoid ramblings, I must be hopelessly closed-minded? Because you make such a good case against "the warmist doctrine" with your conspiracy babble?
Al Gore is a brilliant businessman. He buys large interest in green companies and at the same time sets out to prove why they are the answer to something else that he is helping dream up. Brilliant make a market for what you selling and let every one think there is a really going to be a tropical beach in Alaska in a few years. Gotta hand it to him he is making a fortune like Dick Cheney is at Hollyburton.
All the ranting about Al Gore doesn't change the science that says that for each increase of about 350 PPM of CO2 in the atmosphere, the temperature will increase about 5F at the surface. This has been known for a very long time.
CO2 is great, but the optimum level for the world we live in is a bit lower than the current level. Our inability to control that level is going to cause severe hardship in the future.
[4 points]2 years ago by elwyattReplyEdited 2 years ago by elwyatt
Your usual dishonest crap. Not ONE reputable news source mentions this. But the Freepers do! And Blogs! and other nut cases.
And even if he did misspeak himself, you lf all people should have compassion for it--oh, I forget, you don't misspeak by accident.
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Of course not. Your "so-called reputable" news sources only report what George Soros permits them to report.
This video includes the buffoon's comment as part of his teachings on geothermal energy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BooOfsZgac
I'm sure you will enjoy the entire presentation. :-)
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Worse than a buffoon. Gore is a shyster on the make.
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[0 points] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyBecause there was no proof of a scam found?
What more proof do you need other than the actual words from the people that are falsifying the data.
This global warming thing is all about money and control.
Maybe you would like to point out any proof of a scam?
There isn't any, for example Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the 'trick' is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term "trick" to refer to a "a good way to deal with a problem", rather than something that is "secret", and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the 'decline', it is well known that Keith Briffa's maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the "divergence problem"-see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while 'hiding' is probably a poor choice of words (since it is 'hidden' in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.
Desparate special pleading. "Trick" does not mean "trick", "hide" does not mean "hide". Alice said "A Word means just what I want it to mean, no more and no less". Hpeters adds to this "I may change the meaning of words as often as I like. Decline means increase if it suits me. OK?"
Most honest question I was ever asked by any of the consultants I hired during my "productive" days: "And what message would you like all of my investigation to tell us?"
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I think Kim Strassel has captured the thought of open-minded people in this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703499404574558070997168360.html
Of course you're not in this group. I'm sure you have a handy George Soros piece that you blindly reference.
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[-2 points] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyThere was no proof of a scam, just email discussions taken out of context to make the researchers look bad. Few people write emails to be read by the public; these were not meant for public consumption. Science is a bit like sausage.
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[-2 points] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyThis comment has been moderated down. (Show Comment)
Very true Wingnutt.
Well, I think Al was ready to discuss both solar and geothermal energy, and just go the sun and earth transposed in his mind for a moment. Big deal. The sun's temps are millions, the earth's on the order of 10,000F.
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That's one way to look at it -- much easier for you to swallow than admitting that you're taking advice from a buffoon! :-)
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[-1 points] 2 years ago by deleted user ReplyAnd you never made a mistake right? "and just go the sun and earth"?
I see that anti-warmist comments have been 'marked down'. Typical of the warmist doctrine that all opinions that do not coincide with theirs must be supressed.
Fyi, I marked you comment down because it's stupid and paranoid, not because I love censorship.
'Stupid and paranoid' in your opinion Promethean. Could you be mistaken? NO, of course not! You are a faithful convert to the next religion.
So if I'm not convinced by your paranoid ramblings, I must be hopelessly closed-minded? Because you make such a good case against "the warmist doctrine" with your conspiracy babble?
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And censorship is the answer?
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Given that criteria, you should mark yourself down.
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peterf,
They have been taught well, haven't they? It's second nature to them. :-)
Al Gore is a brilliant businessman. He buys large interest in green companies and at the same time sets out to prove why they are the answer to something else that he is helping dream up. Brilliant make a market for what you selling and let every one think there is a really going to be a tropical beach in Alaska in a few years. Gotta hand it to him he is making a fortune like Dick Cheney is at Hollyburton.
All the ranting about Al Gore doesn't change the science that says that for each increase of about 350 PPM of CO2 in the atmosphere, the temperature will increase about 5F at the surface. This has been known for a very long time.
... or vice versa. And what's wrong with CO2? Do you hate plants and trees?
CO2 is great, but the optimum level for the world we live in is a bit lower than the current level. Our inability to control that level is going to cause severe hardship in the future.
You've been hoodwinked. Read this and get back to me.
http://nov55.com/gbwm.html