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If they don't believe in Heaven or God the poll would be nonsensical wouldn't it be? They would have no interest in answering, therefore it isn't necessary to include answer possibilities for them, is it?
Good Point Waugs! Then, I guess you don't have to answer this poll, but... the question is still a good one to ask yourself and your answer will ultimately help determine where you will spend eternity. www.needGod.com
I am good enough to feel good that I am a good man with a good heart who doesn't do good things just to earn my way into a heaven that I don't even believe in. Say that 3 times without stuttering. LoL
If you believe what many Christians say, that God is infinitely more loving than your own parents, then of course I'm good enough to get into heaven. My own father was very loving and I know he would have let me into heaven whether I loved him back or not. Now if God is truly INFINITELY MORE LOVING meaning there is NO END to his love, then I do not have to believe in Jesus. If I do have to believe in Jesus that means God's love is CONDITIONAL and the Christians are lying. Hey, it's just logical and this is something I have thought long and hard about for many many years and I am convinced that if Christians have told me the truth across the board over the span of the last five decades there is no way I will not go to heaven because I am a good person.
I bet I take some flack over this answer, but it's okay. Bring it on. If you doubt my opinion look up the meaning of the word "unconditional." If His Love IS "conditional" why have Christians lied to me all these years?
[1 point]4 years ago by ChipmonkReplyEdited 4 years ago by Chipmonk
His love is not conditional....he will love you even though you choose hell over eternity in paradise......don't feel too bad, 1/3 of the angels that "lived" in heaven chose to go with satan and serve self rather than God, so I guess you have something resembling an excuse, unacceptable at the gates of Heaven nevertheless. Man has not changed, adam had but one simple task that he could not do to remain in paradise on earth, not to partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Man now has one simple task to obtain salvation, accept Jesus.....and even that is too much for some! God loves you so much he sent his son to die for you , Jesus loved you so much he "gave" his life, no one took it...so lets don't talk about love....!
I guess your Dad didn't live at home while you were growing up? If he did, and if you enjoyed any kind of decent relationship with him at all, can you honestly tell me that if you said, "Dad, I don't love you anymore," that he was of such a temperament that if he had supernatural powers he would tell you, "Begone from my sight, Son, I love you more than life itself, but you know what a big ego I have and therefore I condemn you to burn in a hotter hell than any human could imagine and you are hereby condemned to fry like a crisp critter FOREVER!!!" I just think that is fantasy because I can't ever imagine my dad saying that to me, neither in words, nor in his heart, so if people said to me be still and hear my voice, your Dad loves you more than life itself, I KNOW IN MY HEART he would NEVER sentence me to burn like a french fry for eternity. If your God is different than the God I have heard about all my life I feel sorry for you because I know in my heart a loving God would not be less forgiving than my own earthly Dad.
Waugs, what's your take on this convo? How about you Mike, and Candle? Did you all get along with your parents? And if you flag this conversation then I will know for sure that you have doubts of your own.
[1 point]4 years ago by ChipmonkReplyEdited 4 years ago by Chipmonk
I am very sorry for you...and this is my last post on this...you are blinded and will see. There is no way to the father but through the son...period! God does not send you to hell, you choose of your own free will! get it? You choose this day whom you will serve! I am done talking to you!
There is more to the entrance requirements than confession. Confessing we did something is only stating the truth. The first word that Jesus spoke in His ministry was REPENT, which means to turn away (do an about face) from our sins and not repeat them. Faith that Jesus IS who He says He is (God) is also required. Otherwise a person is in essence calling God a liar. A person who is truly sorry for breaking God's laws will confess his trannsgressions of the law to God and ask His forgiveness for them and then will ask for God's help to lead a new life that no longer does the things that they know are displeasing to God. They do this not because they are trying to earn their way to heaven but because they are grateful to God for forgiving them of their sins. No, confession alone is not enough, but of course we really can do nothing to save ourselves only God can save us! But we need to ask Him to do it as He won't force it on us.
Hell wasn't made for man, but for Satan and the fallen angels that follow him. Man only enters hell through his own pride, foolishness and selfishness. Go is a loving and merciful God, but (and this is the part too many people want to forget) He is also a God of righteousness and judgment. Sin cannot abide in His presence. Our free will decisions determine where our eternal souls will spend eternity.
That is a pat "church answer." How come no one really thinks for them themselves when contemplating this subject?
For example, most Protestants today use a version of the Bible called the King James (KJV). It is markedly different from the Catholic bible used by most prior to the Reformation, and the Catholic bible is even different than the Greek-Aramaic version used before the Catholic bible. Why do you think the very first renditions of The Word which still exist as The Dead Sea Scrolls were so controversial when the first of them were discovered in 1947?
I am not a biblical scholar (obviously); however, the multiplicity of versions and the many translations suggest to me there is little way to be positive that we place our belief in the VERY SAME words that God and Christ used. Clerics and canonical bodies could easily have exaggerated here and there to make for better prose or to more strongly condemn the unrighteous than God or Christ would have ever done. Surely, it is my opinion, both God and Christ would say that the Serpent had a hand in the production of the Bible as we know it today.
What I have said here is but the tip of the iceberg. I can make yet more profound arguments about why I am right and will go to heaven, but if it is going to fall on deaf ears is there really any point?
Besides, it is not my intention to get ANYONE to doubt their belief in God, I would just like people to believe God REALLY IS more loving than their earthly parents could ever hope to be. And I am fully prepared to continue to tell you why I believe as I do.
[1 point]4 years ago by ChipmonkReplyEdited 4 years ago by Chipmonk
Nice points, Chipmonk. For most who claim that their God is the god of the universe - and they tend to make a lot of other absolute claims based wholly on an edited, reinterpreted text dating from the tribal beginnings of civilization - they usually have a pretty narrow conception of what he/she/it is capable of, and it usually comes off pretty conditional as you say, or impotent and limited. It strikes me as sounding more like a tribal overlord or jealous suitor for our attentions than an Infinite Being. Hmm. Wonder where that image came from...?
Where that image came from? My guess is Man created Him in our own image and not the other way around. If there is a God I will bet it is not a He and doesn't look human. I would like to believe, but not in the kind of God Christians believe in. If there was a Christ I bet He wonders how His Word became so subverted over the years and surely there will be hell to pay someday. To tell the truth however I am beginning to think Christians can be very dangerous people because they are blinded by "the Truth" AS THEY SEE IT (as handed down over the ages in folk tales and mostly oral traditions). It seems to me that man is still trying to understand where everything comes from that is still unexplained by science. What will people believe in after science has explained everything? We need a God that is bigger than Ignorance.
[1 point]4 years ago by ChipmonkReplyEdited 4 years ago by Chipmonk
Bigger than Ignorance! LOL. You know that's a tall order, especially when most religions actively promote ignorance (current examples: sex education protests, evolution,...) in some twisted bid for more complete control. If they would only realize that science is not a competing religion, that it is simply a seeking of the truth through verifiable facts.... but I guess churches can't really abide THAT! What was I thinking!
Where would we be without science? There would be no medicine, no plasma televisions, and no effective sugar substitutes. But even with this knowledge, some Americans have the gall to ask us questions. That’s what we aim to stop here at the Union of Condescending Scientists. For example, we demand that you shan’t ask questions about global warming. There is absolutely no possible way we are wrong on this one. Sure you might wonder how we can be so confident about the temperature of the entire globe and its millions of years of history when we only have about a hundred and twenty years of records. And we ourselves admit there is no reliable way to even make estimates beyond a thousand years ago, but the focus can’t be on the facts, it needs to be on who said them, which is us. So, they’re right! Your little religious beliefs are just adorable, but ever since we proved the universe has no purpose with evolution, we’ve been constantly annoyed by people from those rectangle states in the Midwest. Look, scientists know there is no God and I promise you that if we discover one it’s gonna be us so you’d better be on our good side. The bottom line is that we scientists are never wrong until we say that we are wrong and by that time we’re right, because we’ve said that we are right, so therefore scientists are never wrong. If you couldn’t follow that don’t worry you’re not a scientist so you’re not supposed to, but you look so cute trying. We’re the Union of Condescending Scientists where pompous patronizing is not an art it’s a science…. (Heard on the Glen Beck show and replayed on WayOfTheMasterRadio.com)
sorry chipmonk, wrong again! most christians do not use the King James Version! This pat answer you refer to, comes from the bible, "add nothing to this book and take nothing away or be in danger of hellfire!" not hard to understand, as for the dead sea scrolls...the book of Isaiah, is word for word with the Isaiah we read today!
Being a Christian,, this is the perfect question to ask on this page, brao! It' will be very interesting to see how many yes's their are, I bet something like 95 yes's to 5 no's.
Interesting, I would have guessed higher too. I remember reading that most people convicted of murder or other heinous crimes are still convinced they were innocent, in that the other person deserved to die, or to be robbed or whatever. If even those folks can be so deluded, it seems most others would think themselves holy enough to have a front-center seat on the other side of their promised pearly gates. I guess we have some realists in the crowd!
No one is "good" enough "even our righteousness is as filthy rags"....only through the sacrifice of Jesus are we allowed into heaven!
Perfect answer Patriot!
Good Answer! It's the right answer too!
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user ReplyGood. Maybe you should flag it. LOL
If they don't believe in Heaven or God the poll would be nonsensical wouldn't it be? They would have no interest in answering, therefore it isn't necessary to include answer possibilities for them, is it?
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user ReplyGood Point Waugs! Then, I guess you don't have to answer this poll, but... the question is still a good one to ask yourself and your answer will ultimately help determine where you will spend eternity. www.needGod.com
guess no doesn't mean no to waugs?
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user ReplyNo. Most likely not.
*doesn't believe in god in the first place*
Is this a marketing question?
Stock answer, eh Mags? LOL
I am finally catching on. :-)
I am good enough to feel good that I am a good man with a good heart who doesn't do good things just to earn my way into a heaven that I don't even believe in. Say that 3 times without stuttering. LoL
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user Replywho told you that? not your heart!
Hell no!
If you believe what many Christians say, that God is infinitely more loving than your own parents, then of course I'm good enough to get into heaven. My own father was very loving and I know he would have let me into heaven whether I loved him back or not. Now if God is truly INFINITELY MORE LOVING meaning there is NO END to his love, then I do not have to believe in Jesus. If I do have to believe in Jesus that means God's love is CONDITIONAL and the Christians are lying. Hey, it's just logical and this is something I have thought long and hard about for many many years and I am convinced that if Christians have told me the truth across the board over the span of the last five decades there is no way I will not go to heaven because I am a good person.
I bet I take some flack over this answer, but it's okay. Bring it on. If you doubt my opinion look up the meaning of the word "unconditional." If His Love IS "conditional" why have Christians lied to me all these years?
His love is not conditional....he will love you even though you choose hell over eternity in paradise......don't feel too bad, 1/3 of the angels that "lived" in heaven chose to go with satan and serve self rather than God, so I guess you have something resembling an excuse, unacceptable at the gates of Heaven nevertheless. Man has not changed, adam had but one simple task that he could not do to remain in paradise on earth, not to partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Man now has one simple task to obtain salvation, accept Jesus.....and even that is too much for some! God loves you so much he sent his son to die for you , Jesus loved you so much he "gave" his life, no one took it...so lets don't talk about love....!
I guess your Dad didn't live at home while you were growing up? If he did, and if you enjoyed any kind of decent relationship with him at all, can you honestly tell me that if you said, "Dad, I don't love you anymore," that he was of such a temperament that if he had supernatural powers he would tell you, "Begone from my sight, Son, I love you more than life itself, but you know what a big ego I have and therefore I condemn you to burn in a hotter hell than any human could imagine and you are hereby condemned to fry like a crisp critter FOREVER!!!" I just think that is fantasy because I can't ever imagine my dad saying that to me, neither in words, nor in his heart, so if people said to me be still and hear my voice, your Dad loves you more than life itself, I KNOW IN MY HEART he would NEVER sentence me to burn like a french fry for eternity. If your God is different than the God I have heard about all my life I feel sorry for you because I know in my heart a loving God would not be less forgiving than my own earthly Dad.
Waugs, what's your take on this convo? How about you Mike, and Candle? Did you all get along with your parents? And if you flag this conversation then I will know for sure that you have doubts of your own.
I am very sorry for you...and this is my last post on this...you are blinded and will see. There is no way to the father but through the son...period! God does not send you to hell, you choose of your own free will! get it? You choose this day whom you will serve! I am done talking to you!
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user ReplyThere is more to the entrance requirements than confession. Confessing we did something is only stating the truth. The first word that Jesus spoke in His ministry was REPENT, which means to turn away (do an about face) from our sins and not repeat them. Faith that Jesus IS who He says He is (God) is also required. Otherwise a person is in essence calling God a liar. A person who is truly sorry for breaking God's laws will confess his trannsgressions of the law to God and ask His forgiveness for them and then will ask for God's help to lead a new life that no longer does the things that they know are displeasing to God. They do this not because they are trying to earn their way to heaven but because they are grateful to God for forgiving them of their sins. No, confession alone is not enough, but of course we really can do nothing to save ourselves only God can save us! But we need to ask Him to do it as He won't force it on us.
heaven or hell exists only in your head. but anyway with my past religious ideas I couldn't imagine a God who has made a hell for his creatures.
Hell wasn't made for man, but for Satan and the fallen angels that follow him. Man only enters hell through his own pride, foolishness and selfishness. Go is a loving and merciful God, but (and this is the part too many people want to forget) He is also a God of righteousness and judgment. Sin cannot abide in His presence. Our free will decisions determine where our eternal souls will spend eternity.
That is a pat "church answer." How come no one really thinks for them themselves when contemplating this subject?
For example, most Protestants today use a version of the Bible called the King James (KJV). It is markedly different from the Catholic bible used by most prior to the Reformation, and the Catholic bible is even different than the Greek-Aramaic version used before the Catholic bible. Why do you think the very first renditions of The Word which still exist as The Dead Sea Scrolls were so controversial when the first of them were discovered in 1947?
I am not a biblical scholar (obviously); however, the multiplicity of versions and the many translations suggest to me there is little way to be positive that we place our belief in the VERY SAME words that God and Christ used. Clerics and canonical bodies could easily have exaggerated here and there to make for better prose or to more strongly condemn the unrighteous than God or Christ would have ever done. Surely, it is my opinion, both God and Christ would say that the Serpent had a hand in the production of the Bible as we know it today.
What I have said here is but the tip of the iceberg. I can make yet more profound arguments about why I am right and will go to heaven, but if it is going to fall on deaf ears is there really any point?
Besides, it is not my intention to get ANYONE to doubt their belief in God, I would just like people to believe God REALLY IS more loving than their earthly parents could ever hope to be. And I am fully prepared to continue to tell you why I believe as I do.
Nice points, Chipmonk. For most who claim that their God is the god of the universe - and they tend to make a lot of other absolute claims based wholly on an edited, reinterpreted text dating from the tribal beginnings of civilization - they usually have a pretty narrow conception of what he/she/it is capable of, and it usually comes off pretty conditional as you say, or impotent and limited. It strikes me as sounding more like a tribal overlord or jealous suitor for our attentions than an Infinite Being. Hmm. Wonder where that image came from...?
Where that image came from? My guess is Man created Him in our own image and not the other way around. If there is a God I will bet it is not a He and doesn't look human. I would like to believe, but not in the kind of God Christians believe in. If there was a Christ I bet He wonders how His Word became so subverted over the years and surely there will be hell to pay someday. To tell the truth however I am beginning to think Christians can be very dangerous people because they are blinded by "the Truth" AS THEY SEE IT (as handed down over the ages in folk tales and mostly oral traditions). It seems to me that man is still trying to understand where everything comes from that is still unexplained by science. What will people believe in after science has explained everything? We need a God that is bigger than Ignorance.
Bigger than Ignorance! LOL. You know that's a tall order, especially when most religions actively promote ignorance (current examples: sex education protests, evolution,...) in some twisted bid for more complete control. If they would only realize that science is not a competing religion, that it is simply a seeking of the truth through verifiable facts.... but I guess churches can't really abide THAT! What was I thinking!
Where would we be without science? There would be no medicine, no plasma televisions, and no effective sugar substitutes. But even with this knowledge, some Americans have the gall to ask us questions. That’s what we aim to stop here at the Union of Condescending Scientists. For example, we demand that you shan’t ask questions about global warming. There is absolutely no possible way we are wrong on this one. Sure you might wonder how we can be so confident about the temperature of the entire globe and its millions of years of history when we only have about a hundred and twenty years of records. And we ourselves admit there is no reliable way to even make estimates beyond a thousand years ago, but the focus can’t be on the facts, it needs to be on who said them, which is us. So, they’re right! Your little religious beliefs are just adorable, but ever since we proved the universe has no purpose with evolution, we’ve been constantly annoyed by people from those rectangle states in the Midwest. Look, scientists know there is no God and I promise you that if we discover one it’s gonna be us so you’d better be on our good side. The bottom line is that we scientists are never wrong until we say that we are wrong and by that time we’re right, because we’ve said that we are right, so therefore scientists are never wrong. If you couldn’t follow that don’t worry you’re not a scientist so you’re not supposed to, but you look so cute trying. We’re the Union of Condescending Scientists where pompous patronizing is not an art it’s a science…. (Heard on the Glen Beck show and replayed on WayOfTheMasterRadio.com)
sorry chipmonk, wrong again! most christians do not use the King James Version! This pat answer you refer to, comes from the bible, "add nothing to this book and take nothing away or be in danger of hellfire!" not hard to understand, as for the dead sea scrolls...the book of Isaiah, is word for word with the Isaiah we read today!
Being a Christian,, this is the perfect question to ask on this page, brao! It' will be very interesting to see how many yes's their are, I bet something like 95 yes's to 5 no's.
70 to 30, that's pretty close. :-)
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[1 point] 4 years ago by deleted user ReplyInteresting, I would have guessed higher too. I remember reading that most people convicted of murder or other heinous crimes are still convinced they were innocent, in that the other person deserved to die, or to be robbed or whatever. If even those folks can be so deluded, it seems most others would think themselves holy enough to have a front-center seat on the other side of their promised pearly gates. I guess we have some realists in the crowd!
I don't want to go to heaven regardless of whether I'm worthy or not.
Don't worry then, you won't. But, you will be some place for eternity and you won't find that place enjoyable....