| Are American Corporations responsible in part for illegal immigrants presence in the US? |
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Asked 2 years ago
by TheSheep  United States |
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I'm probably going to get in trouble for this one, but I'm asking it because one of my duties at work is to verify citizenship of employees. It has always puzzled me that so many of the big food industry corps hire illegals and then claim to be not responsible because "they didn't know". Don't they collect I-9 data? I have to for my dinky little company. And there are entire businesses that do nothing but verify whether an I-9 is genuine for a service fee, which these big companies can easily pay. If we are truly interested in stopping illegal immigration, don't we have to hold these companies responsible to follow our laws?
Are the illegals getting the jobs because they work cheap ?
**One way to stop that is to enforce a minimum wage, then all workers are equal.
**Unions can keep a check on companies and protect the staff (union members) from exploitation, that also includes people that don't have a right to take the jobs of Australian citizens.
There is a minimum wage but that never stopped dole experts.
I also work in the food industry. We collected required documents but, never checked them. There were 42 employees working under the SAME SS NUMBER !!!
Wow...and your payrolll software never caught it? lol, you need to switch!
Companies aren't required to catch it, I was told.
I think you just proved my point!
Seriously though, take a look at an I-9 sometime. They are not issued by the IRS for tax purposes, you can't even find them on the IRS website. They are issued by the Dept of Homeland security.
Part of the description reads: "The purpose of this form is to document that each new employee (both citizen and non-citizen) hired after November 6, 1986 is authorized to work in the United States."
They are subject to review by the US government, and employers have to certify under "penalty of perjury" that they have examined the ID's presented and they appear to be real. There are similar requirements for independent contractors on a W-9, but those aren't nearly as stringent.
I've known companies (food and otherwise) who jumped through serious hoops to avoid hiring undocumenteds. The I-9's are a part of that process; once an employer processes one, the government has to prove that you were willfully negligent before they can fine you. While it is not clear from the limited research I did whether commpanies are required to catch the liars, there are some fairly simple things they can do to protect themselves and the government. Alot of payroll programs will now check their own databases for inconsistencies and there are services that will check the numbers for you.
I just think that if we really want to stop the flow of illegal immigration, we need to shift some of the burden onto the larger employers.
They are responsible in two ways.
The destruction of Latin American economies, and subsequent corruption of Latin American governments, by corporations causes the poverty that drives undocumenteds here to work.
The other is that corps here don't want to provide the minimum wage, safe working conditions, and other minimal safeguards legal workers are supposed to be entitled to, so they hire undocumenteds.
Think that has something to do with all the hysteria on the subject in the press? I mean, historically up until that point, even undocumented workers could occasionally get some kind of injunctive relief when their wages weren't paid or their housing areas had no sanitation disposal. Now they can't even protest living in their own shit to feed us cheap produce without being deported sans the pay for their labor. How beneficial to the corporations.
No, the illegal Aliens are responsible. The companies take advantage and should be fined up the wazu but they are not responsible. The are abettors.
Do you have these fits often. Are you an illegal alien?
Who are you addressing?
Accusing the questioner of the behavior questioned about. If I ask, "Are you a billionaire?" is it your assumption I'm asking because I am one?
I agree also, treb.
yes and no.
I don't think corporations are responsible, it's the lack of an effective border patrol. Google has shown us the power of satellite surveillance. Surely this technology could be put to better use in detecting illegal entry and then conventional methods could be used to catch perpetrators. If our corporations need the labor find a way to bring them here legally.
I agree, legal is the best way. No six month 'quick' citizenship, chain immigration, anchor babies or felons. Learn English , pass American history so you know what it means to be an American. This is what every immigrant went through and it is the way it should be to be fair. Then you will be welcomed with open arms. Citizenship should not be mandatory but stiff control should be enforced for work vistas, and both the visitor and the employer be held accountable.