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The Qur'an does NOT totally contradict Judaism and Christianity. Major stories from the Pentateuch appear in very similar versions in all three relgions. For instance, the story of Abraham and Isaac is virtually identical in the Jewish and Christian version, and differs in the Islamic version only by the substitution of Ishmael for Isaac. All three tell a very similar story of Noah, and similar versions of various other stories abut Abraham and Isaac.
As far as the new testament:
Devout Muslims beleive that Jesus was born without human male intervention, that he raised the dead, and that he healed lepers and the blind. This is not substantially different from similar stories in the Gospels. Only the emphasis changes, from prophet to savior.
The Qur'an also speaks of the final judgement and resurrection of believers.
These are just a few of the points on which the Qur'an agrees with the Bible.
Very neat analogy. If Albert Broccoli owned the franchise, I suppose we'd have a new version every couple of years, and everybody would understand it as fiction. We'd also have a new Bible girl to appreciate.
[5 points]3 years ago by elwyattReplyEdited 3 years ago by elwyatt
Just to correct you there ...Muslims do believe in Jesus(peace be upon him) being one of the mightiest messenger of god but not God or Son of god and was born out of any male intervention but didnt die on the cross but rather he was raised alive up to heaven. Muslims also believe that Jesus(PBUH) will return at a time close to the end of the world
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Do I think it's the same God? If somebody writes something in Italian or English, they don't understand each other unless they speak both. And you ask if they use the same alphabet?
Even if your statement had been correct, one has nothing to do with the other.
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What do you expect from this guy? Though an Agnostic, he is one of the leading spokespeople for the Atheistic History perspective. That's not evidence. It's propaganda.
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John 8:56-59, says, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple."
Why did the Pharisees want to kill Jesus? They explain their reason in John 10:33 when they say, "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God,"
Also, consider John 5:18 where the Apostle John says, "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God," . In this verse Jesus healed on the Sabbath and the Pharisees thought He was breaking the Sabbath law. John the Apostle also states that when Jesus claimed that God was His Father, that it was "making himself equal with God."
1) Jesus claimed to be God.
2) the Pharisees denied that Jesus was God and the Muslims agree with them.
so- no. not the same God.
[-1 points]3 years ago by kevinchicodeReplyEdited 3 years ago by kevinchicode
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He provided evidence to support both his 1st and 2nd points, and then a conclusion based on these 2 pieces of evidence. I don't happen to agree with his conclusion, but that's because I think cultural issues have a lot more to do with the question.
You, on the other hand, do not believe in any god. You have already said that you do not believe the Bible offers anything valuable as evidence. You can't argue the nature of God WITHOUT referring to somebody's scripture. The only thing left is for you to argue the non-existence of God. But this question assumes the existence of God and asks about the nature of God. If you are going to have an intelligent conservation about this, you need to stay on topic.
The Qur'an does NOT totally contradict Judaism and Christianity. Major stories from the Pentateuch appear in very similar versions in all three relgions. For instance, the story of Abraham and Isaac is virtually identical in the Jewish and Christian version, and differs in the Islamic version only by the substitution of Ishmael for Isaac. All three tell a very similar story of Noah, and similar versions of various other stories abut Abraham and Isaac.
As far as the new testament:
Devout Muslims beleive that Jesus was born without human male intervention, that he raised the dead, and that he healed lepers and the blind. This is not substantially different from similar stories in the Gospels. Only the emphasis changes, from prophet to savior.
The Qur'an also speaks of the final judgement and resurrection of believers.
These are just a few of the points on which the Qur'an agrees with the Bible.
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[4 points] 3 years ago by deleted user ReplyVery neat analogy. If Albert Broccoli owned the franchise, I suppose we'd have a new version every couple of years, and everybody would understand it as fiction. We'd also have a new Bible girl to appreciate.
Just to correct you there ...Muslims do believe in Jesus(peace be upon him) being one of the mightiest messenger of god but not God or Son of god and was born out of any male intervention but didnt die on the cross but rather he was raised alive up to heaven. Muslims also believe that Jesus(PBUH) will return at a time close to the end of the world
Yes, but not as the Jewish Messiah. Or the Christian one. Jesus is a major prophet, not THE savior.
Loved it!
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What a subtle way to say that they are all fiction B^) Well Done. Wrong, but well done.
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Do I think it's the same God? If somebody writes something in Italian or English, they don't understand each other unless they speak both. And you ask if they use the same alphabet?
Even if your statement had been correct, one has nothing to do with the other.
If three cousins have the same grandparent, are they related, even if they speak different languages and use different alphabets?
That is a closer analogy.
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Probably right. I was just trying to say that one had next to nothing to do with the other.
So you think that three cousins do NOT have a common grandparent? Draw the charts.
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No, I just don't think you can determine if it is the same God by pointing out the contradictions between Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Different versions of the same creation myth. Unavoidable in oral histories. Which all three were before they were written down.
Not sure as to the authenticity of any of them:
At least 19 of the 27 books in the New Testament are forgeries.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/05/15/bible.critic/index.html?iref=newssearch
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says that guy.. lol.
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What do you expect from this guy? Though an Agnostic, he is one of the leading spokespeople for the Atheistic History perspective. That's not evidence. It's propaganda.
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John 8:56-59, says, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple."
Why did the Pharisees want to kill Jesus? They explain their reason in John 10:33 when they say, "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God,"
Also, consider John 5:18 where the Apostle John says, "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God," . In this verse Jesus healed on the Sabbath and the Pharisees thought He was breaking the Sabbath law. John the Apostle also states that when Jesus claimed that God was His Father, that it was "making himself equal with God."
1) Jesus claimed to be God.
2) the Pharisees denied that Jesus was God and the Muslims agree with them.
so- no. not the same God.
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He provided evidence to support both his 1st and 2nd points, and then a conclusion based on these 2 pieces of evidence. I don't happen to agree with his conclusion, but that's because I think cultural issues have a lot more to do with the question.
You, on the other hand, do not believe in any god. You have already said that you do not believe the Bible offers anything valuable as evidence. You can't argue the nature of God WITHOUT referring to somebody's scripture. The only thing left is for you to argue the non-existence of God. But this question assumes the existence of God and asks about the nature of God. If you are going to have an intelligent conservation about this, you need to stay on topic.
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Yeah, I know. Just wanted to point it out to those that don't know you as well.